My take on this as well… like who does that 🤨…

It’s an interesting idea, but too complicated to be put into practice IMO.

Yeah, but apparently it did work.

https://www.informapirata.it/2024/01/02/is-it-possible-to-publish-posts-about-lemmy-from-your-wordpress-blog/#comment-162

Yeah, no CSS or loads, but messed up.

Yeah, the css is messed up, even if I use the desktop version on mobile.

Thanks ☺️.

Doesn’t seem to work on mobile… tried desktop site as well, no good.

I use Vivaldi as the default browser BTW, so Jerboa uses that when tapping the link.

And it’s done! No errors! YESSSSS 🥳!

Next, log in… instance not found… 😭😭😭

Bipolarity runs deep in this one.

Instance admins be like: Please, please make it through without errors 😬 😭!

There are no good corporations… well, not any more. Some of them actually used to care about making good products. Now, no, none of them care about that.

Corporations are corporations. They are groups of people legally mandated to make money for their shareholders. They’re not individuals.

Exactly.

But I’m also very confident that nobody looked at the rounding error that is the fediverse userbase, disproportionally made up of FOSS true believers and fringe infosec nerds and went “we need to plot their demise”. That’s not a thing that groups of people concerned with building userbases in the billions talk about.

Not saying that that is the true nature of the plan, but that there are numerous aspects (as you noted) by which this can be seen as a good thing by Meta (as in, it gives a peek into their playground) to do… whatever… good or bad, doesn’t matter.

Huh. I was just saying up here that I don’t think anybody genuinely believes the fediverse is a Meta competitor, but… guess I was wrong.

Not a competitor, that’s the corps view on things (the fediverse taking a piece of it’s cake, us not looking at ads and not playing stupid games on their platforms).

Mastodon does not have the upper hand by any metric. Threads alone has an order of magnitude more active users than the entire fediverse and Meta has multiple platforms with billions of users (and have signaled that they want Threads to reach that size).

It still shows up in metrics and market share (not on every chart/pie, but still). What I meant was that it can be taken as a serious player by some. I don’t think it really is, but some people do.

And by having the upper hand, I meant as in being more advanced and in it’s adolescent stage, not in it’s infancy (which wasn’t the case with XMPP… maybe it wasn’t in it’s infancy, but it barely reached puberty). My point was that people on Mastodon, devs and admins, know exactly what they like and you can’t really push them around or try and lour them into some scheme, like flushing down millions into Mastodon development (which will put them in their pocket). We’ve seen this tactic with other companies (Mozilla as the most prominent example) and we know exactly where it leads. This wasn’t the case back then, people generally trusted IT companies, they really thought most of them cared about the users. Sure, make a few bucks here and there, but in general, just take care of the users and business as a second thing. Of course, we learned later on that that was never the plan, at all, but it was too late by then.

You can absolutely argue that ActivityPub is a tech trendsetter and has an edge over BlueSky in that it’s already up and running. You can’t seriously argue that Mastodon or the fediverse are a threat, a competitor or have an advantage over Threads or Meta. One of the biggest hints that Meta isn’t going for “EEE” here is that it’s probably not worth the effort.

They do the integration for a reason… what that reason might be, I have no idea… might be malicious, might not be. In any case, even if they truly have the best intents for their users (which I seriously doubt) and the Fediverse (which I also seriously doubt), that doesn’t mean that the product of those good willed intentions can’t be taken to another level, i.e. used to do bad things. Remember, the dynamite wasn’t invented to be used in bombs.

That is true. Discord - gaming, Messenger - FB. Google just couldn’t tie it with any social network, so it flopped… and their numerous attempts at creating one.

The difference here is that, one, people are more aware now than they were back then (privacy wasn’t as big an issue then as it is now, thus people are more aware and are on the Fediverse for a reason), two, now the Fediverse has the upper hand (because of Mastodon mostly… they are somewhat of a player in the social media market), three, devs won’t allign with Meta’s moral compass just because it’s Meta (like it was with Google back then… people actually believed that company’s slogan back then).

So, what might have worked back then, probably won’t now, but it’s still good to approach Meta with caution.

Super robust, I basically never saw any federation weirdness like you could see on mastodon or Lemmy.

Because the protocol is more or less a finished product.

And of course, there is also the fact that ActivityPub is not meant to be used as 1 on 1 talk protocol. When you have to sync with posts on other servers, that does take a toll.

What was the state of XMPP before being adopted by tech giants and after they dropped it / walled it off?

It was slowly gaining a user base. It was a good alternative to MSN Messenger and other big corp messaging protocols (Yahoo Talk or whatever it was called).

Every corp is aiming at that. It’s a strategy that worked very well for MS (and the CIA).

You’ll note in the postmortem about it the recollection is that Google was too slow to adopt features and fix bugs, not the other way around.

You still fall behind on compatibility with the original protocol. Doesn’t matter if you pull up or down, it still breaks compatibilty.

Or trying to pee drunk in the middle of the night.

You can find the settings of what a certain app can access in Manage Apps in Settings. The permissions that each app has are listed there. You can revoke some of them, but some apps will just fail to start with all of them revoked.