Any social networks that have non-censored participants are. Usually, China’s presence in social networks outside of its borders are for propaganda purposes.

Interesting. This and other actions seem to hint that they got themselves into the crosshairs of legal law enforcement. You reap what you sow. I suggest that people don’t ignore potential issues with an instance, because it does spill over in unexpected ways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FFdbbcj4Ao

The biggest problem with “federation” is the control given to bullshit admins in some of the biggest and how big into hiding their problems they are. One of the biggest instances has shoved two of their admins under the rug, without openly acknowledging why they did it or the drama there clearly is behind it, giving the impression that the problems those admins were creating have been addressed on one side and on the other just trying to dismiss it as “no big deal, they are just taking time off”.

So keep in mind joining some of those instances is just joining a good paint job. Sometimes, the rust breaks through, sometimes the rusted pieces get removed, but the people painting over the rust are still there.

It matters because when communities crowd around large instances, those admins have ultimate control over participation within them. And while easy to bypass, it will still affect the reputation your comment history would have represented.

Yeah, no, wouldn’t touch that from a longstick, specially from the political slant it’s coming from. Wikipedia itself already has enough problems, Ibis is just asking to be a misinformation hub.

Sun’s problem was competing with Linux, which it couldn’t. Nobody wants to pay premium for discount proprietary Linux. Sun’s Java, however, still exists. Microsoft’s browser is far from the norm. There’s more alternatives to popular software than ever, whether it be office suites, video editing, 3d modeling, 2d painting, you call it. No, they don’t compete with the industry leaders that have both stability and far more features, but they won’t die off.

Embrace, extend, and exploit is just something that’s being thrown around to see whether it will stick as an argument, and quite frankly, I already see the 3E’s from already existing lemmy instances whose entire approach to the lemmyverse is essentially that - not that it makes it more ok, just that it’s clear that people have other priorities when they throw the concept aroud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

Nowadays, it’s more of a tactic for getting sued out of a couple of million.

Oh, hi dessalines, saw your downvotes, anything you disagree with specifically? Or is upvoting comments that say explain and downvoting comments providing said explanation just your vision of what you wanted lemmy to evolve to? Nice profile pic.

So, the Microsoft method - except that never really killed Linux.

It’s really basically number 2 to get you to move to Threads, the exploit part is going to happen on the Threads side, and is basically going to be with ads (which you can block or avoid seeing) or with selling data about the fediverse in one platform (which defederation isn’t going to be able to prevent against). But if embrace and extend is your problem, might as well defederate from kbin and mbin …

Aren’t you proving his point, neither of those can be viewed by us normal users. If you want to archive posts, you can do so through web.archive.org next time.

But besides being claims that are impossible for any user to verify without context, the scope of it really seems like something that should be limited to your instance and discussions with the admins of other instances. You can’t just keep chopping hydra heads, you’d do better by trying to get in contact with the admins who can see it directly, if it is affecting your instance.

To that end, archiving the evidence and creating one huge mega-thread or document that you can just include when needed might better serve you. Like I told the user, I don’t see it as doxing, just potentially libel, so that’s all you have to dismiss from your end. Just try to avoid collecting and pointing to personally identifying information and if anything keep it about the argument that’s being claimed to dismiss it and not just the person. If you need to implement data retention policies for personal data, you can also say so, telling them you can’t identify them but these sort of arguments have been made in the past which could be what they are referring to, etc. I’m no lawyer, just my two cents.

If the case is that they keep bringing it up, I don’t see it as harassment to respond to them, and it clearly isn’t an issue that can be argued based on one word premises alone. If someone is repeatedly commenting on someone else’s comments, I guess it depends on how much it involves them as well.

The problem with the fediverse in that regard is that it’s basically multicasted. On one hand that’s a negative for the reasons you’ve said, but on the other hand it means you can easily dig up information that moderators and admins acting in bad faith can hide and then claim whatever bullshit they want.

Ultimately, you really shouldn’t be seeking privacy in lemmy and should try to refrain from using information that can personally identify you if you are really afraid or really incapable of having a public presence. If someone tries to dox you, they could dox you from any website. If they do, the way to proceed with that is usually filling out a police complaint form and/or any other specialized agency in your country block that can deal with it, or if you have the money, to get in contact with a lawyer which usually makes it about who has the biggest bank.

However, we also have to understand what is being called doxing. In your case, I understand its someone pointing out an alt that had apparently posted content word for word. Doxing generally involves things like the SWAT showing up and assaulting your home or people messing up your personal life by making personal data public for misuse. I’m not sure how noting similarities to try to imply that you should also be banned applies here.

And trust me, I’m in a very similar situation, except it involves an admin committing libel just because I complained about them where people who complain about them also have, ergo I must be whatever the worst shit that he can throw at me and get to stick is, which apparently has been that I’m an alt of an account who is a pedophile on another server. Not only that, they didn’t even mind including and leaving several links to an external server spread out through several comments that they claim hosts the pedophilia with the implication that people go there and check it out for themselves to confirm an association to the person they were accusing. Implied because, well, they are just leaving the link there without any real explanation, which might mean a user on a “No porn” instance could also randomly click on it if they are careless.

Going after libel is pretty shit, you can’t really do anything about it, but I have reported the links to what is by their own words pedophilia to the appropriate organizations because that’s far more serious and I’m sure not going to sort through that shit. But would I call it doxing? Well, besides the fact that the claim is false, no, sometimes libel is just libel, and sometimes linking to CSAM for any reason is still linking to CSAM. Looking at this, some lawyers do claim it is when it is tracking multiple usernames, although I imagine it might involve associating accounts with personal identifying information.

Doing it isn’t necessarily wrong but should be limited to gathering information to report to law enforcement agencies to help with their investigations, if it’s something more than casual speculation. In communities where the community itself can be considered an extension of the authority, the issue limited to it, where transparency is valued, and where the information itself isn’t really that personally identifying, well, the circumstances seem different. Frankly, I think an abuse of authority is worse than doxing in such an environment, specially in a social network where you control the flow of communication. If that’s your case, you should probably be calling that out instead.

The problem with that is that you aren’t going to comment the same thing across different instances of what’s basically the same community, you generally want to engage with the most users. I recently got banned under false accusations, and it’s pretty easy to see when it happened because the amount of upvotes and engagement dropped drastically between comments to the same instance - only the people from my instance were seeing it now.

The next step for lemmy might be the concept of mirrored communities where comments are automatically propagated across instances if they belong to the same owners and they have it enabled. Admins would control access/visibility for users of their instance, and the community owners would control the access/visibility of all instances they’ve reserved the community under. Admins could just decide to remove all the moderators/de-federate the community in the instance they control to sever the mirroring and create their own, but it might still help the smaller instances to get going.

I’m not sure how admins, specially the ones who are ok with lying to their users, would be ok with it, and it’s meaningless if they just wield their charisma and taint those communities as well. So far, they are pretty blatant, yet admins either aren’t bothering to check the evidence or they simply don’t want to de-federate, which is just another way of condoning their behavior to avoid risking user engagement. Adding mirrored communities into the mix may just not solve it because the problem is still there: a divided user base who’s getting treated like cattle without them knowing.