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20·14 days agoGot this from the lemmy scripts community:
The point is to pick out the users that only like to pick fights or start trouble, and don’t have a lot that they do other than that, which is a significant number. You can see some of them in these comments.
Ok then that makes sense on why you chose these specific mechanics for how it works. Does that mean hostile but popular comments in the wrong communities would have a pass though?
For example let’s assume that most people on Lemmy love cars (probably not the case but lets go with it) and there are a few commenters that consistently shows up in the [email protected] or [email protected] community to show why everyone in that community is wrong. Or vice a versa
Since most people scroll all it could be the case that those comments get elevated and comments from people that community is supposed to be for get downvoted.
I mean its not that much of a deal now because most values are shared across Lemmy but I can already see that starting to shift a bit.
I was reminded of this meme a bit
Initially, I was looking at the bot as its own entity with its own opinions, but I realized that it’s not doing anything more than detecting the will of the community with as good a fidelity as I can achieve.
Yeah that’s the main benefit I see that would come from this bot. Especially if it is just given in the form of suggestions, it is still human judgements that are making most of the judgement calls, and the way it makes decisions are transparent (like the appeal community you suggested).
I still think that instead of the bot considering all of Lemmy as one community it would be better if moderators can provide focus for it because there are differences in values between instances and communities that I think should reflect in the moderation decisions that are taken.
However if you aren’t planning on developing that side of it more I think you could probably still let the other moderators that want to test the bot see notifications from it anytime it has a suggestion for a community user ban (edit: for clarification) as a test run. Good luck.
But in general, one reason I really like the idea is that it’s getting away from one individual making decisions about what is and isn’t toxic and outsourcing it more to the community at large and how they feel about it, which feels more fair.
Yeah that does sound useful it is just that there are some communities where it isn’t necessarily clear who is a jerk and who has a controversial minority opinion. For example how do you think the bot would’ve handled the vegan community debacle that happened. There were a lot of trusted users who were not necessarily on the side of vegans and it could’ve made those communities revert back to a norm of what users think to be good and bad.
I think giving people some insight into how it works, and ability to play with the settings, so to speak, so they feel confident that it’s on their side instead of being a black box, is a really good idea. I tried some things along those lines, but I didn’t get very far along.
If you’d want I can help with that. Like you said it sounds like a good way of decentralizing moderation so that we have less problems with power tripping moderators and more transparent decisions. I just want it so that communities can keep their specific values while easing their moderation burden.
Is there a way of tailoring the moderation to a communities needs? One problem that I can see arising is that it could lead to a mono culture of moderation practices. If there is a way of making the auto reports relative that would be interesting.
Maybe we should look for ways of tracking coordinated behaviour. Like a definition I’ve heard for social media propaganda is “coordinated inauthentic behaviour” and while I don’t think it’s possible to determine if a user is being authentic or not, it should be possible to see if there is consistent behaviour between different kind of users and what they are coordinating on.
Edit: Because all bots do have purpose eventually and that should be visible.
Edit2: Eww realized the term came from Meta. If someone has a better term I will use that instead.
Kagi doesn’t really have its own index either. It mainly relies on other search engines as well and the indexes that are its own that focus on small web stuff is better done by marginalia.nu which is also open source.
It is a meta-search engine so it takes results from other search engines and shows the results. Usually you can decide which search engines to use in preferences. You can host it yourself or find an online instance to use.
I think the observer shows daily and monthly stats for the active users per month and active users per half year so the active users per month wouldn’t change as fast I think.
Also about it being a botfarm I do think that is a possibility. Actually there is more evidence for it when you see extend the graph to 120 days and see a huge uptick in users and servers at the same time. Edit: 2024-7-29
Edit: wording
I was talking about on the fediverse observer. It wouldn’t show up immediately there.
Not immediately though right? since the active users are a month or half-year. Or does it automatically update that too?
Most searxng instances have a similar lens for lemmy comments so you can do that too if you want an open source alternative.
Probably but which instance has over 70,000 users?
Long distances actually don’t really mean much it can’t be guaranteed that they actually correlate to much. It is mostly the local groups that are conserved and a bit of the global structure.
I had to try scraping the websites multiple times because of stupid bugs I put in the code beforehand, so I might of put more strain on the instances than I meant too. If I did this again it would hopefully be much less tolling on the servers.
As for the cost of scraping it actually isn’t that hard I just had it running in the background most of the time.
The original data had 21,000+ features. I used an algorithm to reduce the dimensions to 2 but keep a similar structure (so similar communities are close dissimilar communities are far away).
So the axes don’t really mean anything in particular.
Probably a webgl problem. I had to use ungoogled chromium to open the page. I think it works on regular firefox too.
Yeah that sounds like a good idea so you can see how connected local communities are. Probably makes more sense to use original dimensions so no extra information is lost.
Total communities: 2986
Total users: 21934
So the dimensions were reduced from (2986, 21934) to (2986, 2)
Edit: Also yeah it is using Umap for the algorithm and it does do something pretty similar to what you described.
I was somehow able to get both a picture and url added and it looks much better. Thx.
It shows me 93 comments and 2 posts for me. It probably just hasn’t federated to your instance yet.
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