That and it speaks to a lack of maturity and professionalism which doesn’t inspire confidence in the project.

There’s no need to hurt the devs for sure though. They do that well enough on their own.

The problems with the Lemmy developers though is plain on the face of it. Problematic political and social positions. And then demanding that donations must go towards furthering those problematic political and social positions. Because they think they found this one weird trick that nobody can argue with. Their Flagship server is the political server. It’s not lemmy.org after all.

Not to mention that the admins of the server moderate more than most the moderators on the server. There is no free speech. It doesn’t matter how moderate or respectful you are. If you go against the narrative you will be banned.

Development wise they are also vanguard minded. Does the userbase want features the devs aren’t working on? That’s too bad. The devs are going to work on what they want to work on. Whether or not that’s a good thing. Which can sometimes it can be. It also has led to a number of people reluctant to contribute. The childish cliquesh behavior.

You’re not always going to agree with the politics and views of the people who write the software you use. And that is okay. But when they mix the two it’s not wrong to have issues with that.

I’ve already created an account on a piefed instance. Planning for the future. I’m sure Voyager will get it sorted.

100%. Not just controversial but childish. It’s completely poetic karma that they’ve become a minority in their own network. Repeating the same patterns that got them exiled elsewhere. Basically doing it all again. Having learned nothing.

Lemmy.ml and programming.dev likely have the instance blocked due to its history with right-wing trolls. World does not. Therefore it works here. Lemmy ml doesn’t like the competition. Programming.dev doesn’t like the drama

Many. They are considered a spiritual successor to the right-wing troll instance of explodingheads.com. just consider for a moment. Which a group of people think causing chaos is hilarious?

You and I often disagree. But not today. Well said.

Ah, yes yes that old chestnut. Everyone else is the problem not you. People have legitimate problems with your instance and its administrators. Don’t pretend for a moment that if server focused on a different authoritarian ideology opposed to yours was the host. That you wouldn’t object either, despite the hypocrisy. You’re on Lemmy.ml not Lemmy.org. At least the rest of us can be consistent in our stance.

If the instance is focused around defending and enabling our fascists. Then everyone should object the same. That it just exists in the US isn’t the same thing and besides the point.

I have not been on Reddit for 2 years or more. That’s how it’s always worked for years before that even. As someone who had an account there from the 2000s all through the 2010s.

So you are either misremembering or simply mistaken. I don’t like that model myself. Because it can be abused as much as it can stop abuse. Easily allowing someone to block anyone who has or might dissent to them. Helping them spread misinformation, giving it a false sense of acceptance or at least no vocal pushback. Since they couldn’t just block people that down voted but never commented.

While that is true. It can still bury or hide valuable discussion. Not that this advocates for bidirectional blocking. But it would be nice if there were some method or mechanism to look for people doing such behaviors and weight their inputs less.

I’ve seen banal and innocuous comments from myself and whole chains including others get down voted for no real apparent reason. Personally I see that and I choose to smile. Knowing that that person is so seething and ineffectual that that is the best they can figure out to do. But not everyone sees it that way. It’s definitely something that will have to be tackled at some point if the system is going to grow. Because whether or not you agree that it’s manageable now. It certainly won’t be if there is a huge growth spurt.

Your projecting. I literally said in the donation thread that I don’t care if they run their own political server in their own free time with their own resources. It doesn’t matter whether or not I agree with it. What matters is that they want to tell us that we must contribute to their hobby and political crusade. They can make all the poor life choices they want. They just can’t include me or anyone else in it.

Lol to accuse you of not liking Lemmy as a platform. It doesn’t get much more strawman. Lol you’re one of the most frequent posters I see on Lemmy in general 😝

Nutomic himself has quite a history with real shitty takes and horrible stances. Including transphobia Etc.

Then there is said flagship instance. It’s run as a leninist Vanguard fiefdom and Echo chamber. Not a development hub. Its lemmy.ml and not lemmy.org for a reason. Much of the most egregious moderation not being done by moderators but administrators. All directly under and at nutomic’s discression. Which people are well within their right to object to. Especially being told their donations must go towards enabling it.

There are a ton of devs out there with shitty politics. But it’s most of them are smart/mature enough to keep them separate.

While it’s unquestionable that them posting this here is not the appropriate place. It’s also unquestionable knowing how you behave that you are harassing them. Even if you are not “following them around”.

Yep that’s pretty much the long and short of it. People will say, if you just stick to the technical topics then you’re fine and they’ll ignore you. Which is true to an extent. But you should not have to. And most people don’t want to popularize places like that to begin with if they knew.

This part is a small tangential nitpick. What Russia China North Korea Etc have is not communism. They may call it Communism. But what is important to note is that one is uppercase and one is lowercase. One is an adjective that describes a stateless classless society. The other is a noun often used to refer to a tightly controlling state with a strict regiment class structure between the political and non political classes. Honestly I think the term communism is beyond Rehabilitation. Though I would still like to try and see it differentiated from the noun.

Ironically your reaction paints you as the reactionary with a broad brush.

That may say more about you than them. Make of that what you will. Plenty have though.

Not really. No more than in the past. The difference is the 24/7 firehose of propaganda and indoctrination. The solution is to step away from the firehouse. Focus on the things that actually impact you. Or that you can influence. If someone is telling you to be afraid of people that you don’t know, have never met, or ever had contact with. Ignore them and tune them out. It’s legitimately that simple.

I never implied that it did. Go ahead and make one. It will always do as much or more damage than it will ever do good. That’s the point. There’s bias in everything. Trusting someone else’s bias to accurately convey the bias of something else, isn’t making you more informed or a better consumer of media. Not in any meaningful way. Not in the way basic critical thinking skills can. It’s just a game of bias telephone. And if you know how the game telephone goes. It should give you an indication to its efficacy.

It’s not hard. There are some basic steps anyone can take to get started. Do not tolerate those who are intolerant of who someone is. Whether it’s ethnicity or sexuality. If accusations are being made against groups. Especially ones that you have very little experience or contact with. Put yourself in that situation. Think about how you would go about things. Because that’s more than likely how they would as well. And for everything else, especially things that are either hard science or factually based. Simply differ to the people who make it their life to study and understand those things. But never give their opinions outside of that field any weight.

Just those few basic things can illuminate a lot of bias and malintent. Leave you far more guarded and protected against misinformation and bias in the future. Which along with basic intellectual curiosity. Something most people have largely never valued. Will serve you far better than any app. Because the Insidious part about misinformation. Is that there’s often some amount of Truth to it. Whether it’s wrong because of malice or because of bias. Critical thinking and intellectual curiosity will always better serve you.