I’m curious about how they handle retracting the quote in an open source federated model where the behaviour of other instances can’t be ensured. Does the instance hosting the quote simply refuse to honour the quote link?
And I suppose if an instance uses a hostile workaround like simply embedding a copy, that would be seen as a bad mark against the instance which could lead to defederation?
I’m not saying it’s impossible, just interested in the specifics.
Picking MMO servers, really? Which MMO is that? I’m genuinely asking - I’ve never played many MMOs, but every one that I’ve known has had a single persistent world.
I don’t know that they’ve ever been profitable. They might be a loss-leader in some way, feeding into google’s ad ecosystem somehow, or maybe it was always just theoretically profitable in the future in some ill-defined way that allowed the money to keep flowing. Who knows.
All I know is, if they follow the pattern the rest of them have, they aren’t going to be sustainable long-term.
That is very true, and I think some kind of archive is going to be important eventually. I think to get around the hosting costs, one method could be for peertube instances to form a union of instances for collective purchases, because the cost goes down with scale.
With a large enough group you could even split hosting among different providers to prevent a monopoly from forming in the hosting space.
Honestly youtube barely has it currently. The vast majority of creators make very little on the platform and rely largely on supporter donations, merch and sponsorships, which could work on any platform.
By squeezing creators out of every penny they can, youtube has forced people to find other options abd made themselves less and less relevant. I guess that’s enshittification for you.
You can also gate access to certain videos on peertube, so a nebula-like model might also work eventually.
I can’t wait for peertube to take off. I think of all of the social medias, youtube has the most enduring monopoly, because hosting is such a huge barrier it’s got even more of a natural monopoly than regular social media.
I think once peertube can start ascending that might be the ballgame for decentralised social media in general.
Not just a grace period, but opening the sub selection menu, I can no longer just close it and return to the view I already had. That view can stick around indefinitely if you enter a post and then back out of it, the posts you had before will remain. There will be no refresh. But when you press back one more time and open that menu, the only way back to the home feed is to select it, which will refresh it. The app has the ability to not refresh, but not in that very specific circumstance. Like literally just a button to close the menu would do the trick I think.
But thanks for the information. This one issue has made me consider switching several times.
Hey, question about Voyager, I’m using it, and if I’m on my main feed and hit the back button, it opens a list of subs, and there seems to be nothing I can do to get back to the feed without refreshing it. It’s veru frustrating because I keep losing track of the post I was just about to tap on. Do you know anything about this?
Businesses I understand because that involves listening to your tech guy and approving time for it, and businesses hate spending money, even if it wouldn’t really cost them that much in practice. They have a lot of institutional inertia.
The smaller alternatives will get bigger as the mainstream social media gets worse and worse. The job for us, in whatever way we can, is to build the alternatives and make them ready to handle the influx, and make them welcoming to new people.
Honestly, if you’re going to do both, do bluesky and mastodon. Bluesky isn’t properly decentralised the way mastodon is, but a lot of influential people are there. Also it’s way better than twitter was.
Also, you’ll talk to me after it’s a solved problem? Why would I be interested in that? You have no interest in helping solve it now and I see no reason why you’d magically become useful after the fact.
If you can demonstrate that you even understood the concept of decentralised torrent-like hosting then I’ll pay attention to whatever else you had to say.
What are you talking about? I don’t think you understood the concept of decentralised torrent-like hosting.
I’m currently talking to a peertube hoster about server costs, which I may be able to justify to host my own videos plus a little extra to pitch in for others who can’t justify the expense. Plenty of professional creators could easily justify it as an exit strategy or backup for youtube.
These conversations are happening, just not with you, presumably because you’re just being negative about it and not actually doing something, so why would anyone bother to bring it up with you?
Take out the phone part and allow users to host videos in a decentralised way on their home computers and it’s a genuinely good idea though. I have a server running with plenty of storage and reasonable upload speed. I could easily dedicate a terabyte or so, as long as I’m not the sole hoster.
It would be a hell of a lot cheaper than dedicated hosting. The only issue is legal problems when someone is unknowingly hosting abuse material, which is something that happens from time to time on all services like this, and an individual could be done for distribution without the protection big centralised services have. You’d just have to hope mods are on top of it.
Actually something like a debrid service but for peertube might work. You can get huge amounts of storage for cheap because a lot of it is shared, you might ask them to host a huge torrent file, but most torrent files serve multiple users, so the cost is distributed. Peertube could work a similar way if it were more mainstream.
You know, I like to think of participating in the fediverse as being part of the construction of what internet culture will become.
It’s literally a chance to be on the ground floor of the next iteration of the internet. Maybe you’ll make something that lasts.
Yes, you don’t get to sit back and passively consume vast swathes of content, but maybe that’s good for your creative process.
I have noticed that a lot of the most irritating and vocal reactionaries come from those two instances, and it’s not improving much. It makes sense - this is an alternative to reddit and the people most likely to leave reddit will include a large number of people who get banned a lot.
If they’re reactionaries, they’re not going to have many instances that are for them specifically - because those instances get defedded - so they will tend to go for the open instances. So those instances get a lot of the worst people.
And if their goal is growth at the expense of quality, then they won’t fix it. They’ll just get worse. The reasons beehaw defederated haven’t changed.
“de_ml” implies pushing against ml
So you can understand then why posts about the crimes of British and US imperialism are off-topic there, right?
Like, I don’t expect much here, but you’ve given me this little hint that you could in theory understand if you wanted to. I don’t think you do though, do you?
You said they pinned “fuck tankies” to the sub. (Not an instance btw)
You know the sub is called “de_ml”
You obviously know what it’s about, that’s part of your point, that it’s an anti-tankie sub. But then you want to have it both ways.
Who are you trying to fool?
I think the rise of hate speech on centralised platforms relies very heavily on their centralised moderation and curation via algorithms.
They have all known for a long time that their algorithms promote hate speech, but they know that curbing that behaviour negatively affects their revenue, so they don’t do it. They chase the fast buck, and they appease advertisers who have a naturally conservative bent, and that means rage bait and conventional values.
That’s quite apart from when platform owners explicitly support that hate speech and actively suppress left leaning voices.
I think what we have on decentralised systems where we curate/moderate for ourselves works well because most of that open hate speech is siloed, which I think is the best thing you can do with it.