The effectiveness of the shitheadiness is a separate matter from its identity:-). If someone were to say downvote literally everything you ever did, within seconds of you doing it, and regardless of content, then that would be a shitty thing to do.
Ah, mods only, and then only for their own communities - well, still, that’s something (though I’d prefer prefer it opened up for everyone). Thanks for the link.
Being able to see the moderation history linked directly to a post was added then - but I don’t see vote viewing nor recall hearing about it, which would have been a huge deal.
The issue is that currently someone can behave as a shithead via voting, even if not comments, with little fear of reprisal or even discovery.
If OP mass-downvotes you, then ban them. As it is, you have the ability to mass-downvote them, without them even knowing that it is you doing it. Or maybe you wouldn’t do that, but some would - I hope you see how unequal that relationship is.
The developers of Lemmy do not seem interested in anything less than banning people instance-wide, even from communities that they have never posted in before, so ironically shadowbanning is too subtle for them.
But I thought the only way someone could be shadowbanned now is at the individual user level? It would be nice to increase transparency even further - e.g. a message pops up if you try to reply to someone saying like “this user has blocked you” (possibly everyone from that instance) so that people do not waste time trying to get a message across that the recipient will never read.
The version code hasn’t even hit 0.2 yet. Lemmy was founded by people who got banned from Reddit for being too toxic & extremist leftists, so went off to make their own replacement. They do what they like, and bc Rust is a difficult language to work with, not that many are willing to help.
Then after Huffman’s debacle, we started to see Kbin, Mbin, Piefed, Sublinks, and perhaps more - but none even as advanced as Lemmy yet.
But more to the point, that’s just the nature of an open network. Wouldn’t Wikipedia suffer from the same issues? Though less of an issue than a social media framework I would wager.
I want to have the ability to turn on my echo chamber, when I want it, and also to be able to turn it off, when I want to step outside of it for awhile. This doesn’t have to be a toggle - it could be having an alt on a different instance.
I don’t want this choice made for me by people who think they know better how to run my own life than me. They can write an appeal that I will consider, but ultimately I want to make my own choice.
Having votes be publicly viewable allows us all the freedom to do as we choose with that information - including to ignore them entirely. What I would probably do with it is make large block lists of people on lemmy.ml, since it turns out that user blocks of an instance don’t block all that much. Fwiw, for everyone I’ve blocked in the past, I look through the post history to see if they merely are being disagreeable on a particular matter but overall are capable of contributing something substantive to a conversation, or are nothing more than a troll, setting out to vomit their emotions upon everyone worldwide across the Fediverse.
I’ve been a mod before, on Reddit, and am under no illusions anymore that everyone is worth listening to - a downvote from someone rational I will give serious thought about, but an idiot is an idiot, even if a community mod hasn’t banned them (yet?).
It’s like autocorrect: feel free to make suggestions, but it would be nice if I could have control when I want it, including/especially not wasting my time.
Unlike commenting and posting, which offers the who, what, where, and when parts of the message passing process, voting on Lemmy (now, for non-admins) is inherently an unequal process. Imagine if someone could send you an email whenever they wanted, but you were prevented from knowing who or even from what instance it is from, or when it was sent, do you think that could open up a potential for some variety of abuse? Or texting, phone calls, showing up at your door, etc.
Knowing the identity of the voter is an important part of properly receiving the “message”. It also increases freedom of choice, b/c otherwise the only way to prevent such messages (if, let’s take it as a given that some people find them annoying) would be to turn off voting entirely, either by going to one of the instances that does that, or just ignoring all (down-)votes yourself.
If we want the Fediverse to grow, and in particular to include less emotionally stunted humans that actually care when someone says something about them, good or bad, this will be a necessity. (Also, I was speaking tongue-in-cheek there, but genuinely social standards do vary across this wide world, and it really would increase content if there were not only more but different types of people, especially those most likely to generate quality content.)
And as other non-Lemmy methods of access to the Fediverse provide that feature - k/mbin, piefed, sublinks - Lemmy will fall increasingly behind if it were to ignore this very basic feature.
Making the votes public also increases honesty, since they are already public now. And if you don’t want to know who down-(up?-)votes you then… don’t look? But for those who want to know, it will be a great feature to have.
I am glad to see this level of interactivity. At the same time, I hope it doesn’t try to do too much at once - like trying to be all things to all people holding it back too much from moving forward in any one lane, if that makes sense?
On the other hand, the developer can do whatever they want, so I totally get working on the exciting stuff, especially if they (unlike Ernst) are amenable to allowing others to flesh in the details for the stuff that they enjoy less.
Wow, the more I learn about it, the more exciting it seems!? Thanks for sharing that.:-)
Oh wow, community wikis with version history even - that’s fantastic.
Best of all though seems to be that it is in a language that people actually use - no disrespect to Rust bc it’s arguably the best, certainly the hottest language right now, but it definitely seems to be limiting progress that so few people are willing to learn it.
Thank you, I keep mixing it up with Pixelfed in my mind and forget that it exists:-).
It looks both really primitive (e.g. comment from Rima about lack of moderation tools) yet also extremely sophisticated at the same time. Like for me the upper right hand menu bar disappears entirely in dark mode (Android Firefox) - it seems still fully functional but I could not see it to know to click under most conditions - but those category arrangements and how they improve discoverability, it just makes so much sense!
Wow, now I’m as excited about this project as about Sublinks:-).
Pretty much, as others have explained here. I wanted to add that in addition to its fork Mbin there is also the Sublinks project to make a new implementation of the ActivityPub protocol and thus surf the Fediverse independent of Lemmy. https://sublinks.org/ (link to GitHub there too)
Sometimes I want to find something, like an image that I have shared previously (for ease of reuse but also to reduce the load on the servers to not have to store it multiple times), and so I’ll want to search comments (not posts) by sth like Top Month or Top Week, but ofc cannot:-(. So instead like a chump I just go through them one by one until I find what I wanted… It’s annoying to visually see those options provided, yet they do not function as you would expect. So indeed, they need to do a lot of work on the search functions:-).
But this is a thought for the interim:-).
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
This URL seems to work for new: https://lemmy.world/search?type=Posts&listingType=All&page=1&sort=New, so until they fix it in the UI you could bookmark that?
I imagine they will do a lot of work on the search feature at some point.
I just changed my default sort from Hot to New and then back again - so those two values for that option definitely work. If you are using some third-party client to access Lemmy, I cannot say the same for it - perhaps it has a bug? But most places on Lemmy I’ve been have these in their settings and they work - the issue is on your end.
Which is empowering bc you can play around with a bunch of different things and find a way that will work, rather than have to wait on the devs to decide to help or not:-).
e.g. you could bookmark this link: https://lemmy.world/?dataType=Post&sort=New. Speaking of, perhaps your bookmark to access Lemmy has a similar setting, but for Hot and that is overriding your default choice? Or after you set the default, are you certain that it is saving properly?
Anyway, I hope I gave you some interesting ideas to check up on:-).
I for one hope that he goes back to what he seemed to enjoy the most: writing the code. Let someone else handle the admin duties, which he mostly abandoned anyway. We would get the non-Lemmy codebase enhanced, while he would get the fun of chasing his passion:-).
That is an excellent point - I so rarely went there but I thought I recalled that being my experience as well, and yet I wasn’t certain enough to say so. It really does mess with the stats if we are trying to use “server uptime” to compare between instances or Kbin vs. Mbin.
Most things on the Fediverse are limited by someone willing to put in the effort to make them happen. Create it, populate it with memes, and it will exist. People will still post to the larger communities though, bc they are more well-known.