admiralteal

I mean, you know they aren’t going to have adequate content moderation because they ALREADY don’t. Lack of moderation is the #1, #2, and #3 best reasons to defederate.

Wanting to see proof before taking positive action is valid and sensible. But you can’t pretend it isn’t something you can already make reasonable inferences about. This is not a new unknown and pretending it is is ridiculous.

Email servers do not automatically feed content into and pull content out of your system. They only send and deliver to specific people at specific addresses. Federation is a firehose. You can close the hydrant before or after it gets hooked up to city water, but at the end of the day only people that chose to do things the sensible way will have dry socks and no water damage.

I think you mean WASN’T threadiverse already a term.

Yes, it used to be. Soon, it won’t be.

Threads as it exists now is poorly moderated in that it is 90% shameless self-promotional commercial content.

If your instance doesn’t have a policy against horrible undisclosed commercial promotion, I want nothing to do with it. If it does, Threads already has hundreds of thousands of strikes.

Meta already is already 5/6 of the things you listed out there. Threads is the microblogging product, but Meta is the platform.

They don’t need to destroy every single piece of competition in EEE. That happens much more passively.

They just need to make the others slightly worse to use. A bit at a time. Until a significant decline happens. Until enough users are annoyed about their “green bubbles” or whatever so as to make the switch. To culturally enforce the superiority of their product over others. If you understand the EE part, then you must understand the inevitability of the third. When was the last time you logged into IRC or ICQ? For most people, the answer is “What’s that?” because XMPP and the interoperable protocols in its halo were extinguished. Google Talk and the like joining the arena looked like they would make the sphere better, but instead killed it.

Meta is a publicly-traded company in a capital market. The way they will behave – selfishly and without care of the treatment of their users and customers – is preordained. Their motivations are necessarily corrupt and you need to defend against that.

Meta stands to gain very, very little from maintaining a vibrant and healthy greater fediverse space. It doesn’t need to deliberately intend to harm federation, it just needs to exist with all its power and money and be selfish while doing it.

Ultimately, I don’t know that federation with Meta is damnation for the fediverse. But the risk seems too great to me.

Meta is public. A transaction like that could not be done in secret.

If you really want to see this, go try to make a post on 4chan.

They have a captcha system that’s so hard to solve I think that a significant percentage of people probably simply fail to get through it. There are browser extensions and stuff to help solve it that actually prove it’s easier for a robot to figure it out than a human.

That’s just a moderation tool. A community would simply need the ability to run a whitelist or blacklist of communities to aggregate.

Frankly, I think a more manual process as an option is better because it would help account for naming variations. It’d also allow a mod team to create a place SPECIFICALLY to aggregate, which strikes me as inherently useful even within an instance.

It’s not the fediverse’s job to do that any more than it is HTTP’s job to make sure that the person posting on Instagram and the person posting on TikTok are the same person.

Individual instances can choose whether or not to implement identity verification.

And yeah, I can “try” to impersonate you, just like I could with email. I could spin up a cheap domain and make an email address [email protected] .

I would like to see folks from outside of the instance more clearly marked with where they came from, though.

Or just find a post that is already on that place, click the community/magazine name to go to its landing page, and click the subscribe button – realistically, this is going to be the workflow for most.

Odds are if you are interested in subscribing to content on another instance, it is because that content already went under your nose and you liked how it smelled. Click click is very intuitive.