i don’t care about debating this with you. i will, as a concluding remark, just note incredible irony in lecturing about entitlement while simultaneously demanding gratitude for your work from people you literally just told to fuck off from this service three replies ago. in very blunt terms: i think you are getting the exact level of gratitude you deserve from us after this exchange, which is none. my experiences with you have been thoroughly unpleasant, unkind, and paint you as a toxic person and it is my view that your “years of work put into this software” are meaningless in the face of the blatant disrespect you show members of your community.

i mean, if your response to a community which has stuck by your software for over two years now and hasn’t even publicly committed to leaving is “fuck you” because you don’t like that we are vocally opinionated on our problems, frictions, and perceived deficiencies with your software—yeah, why would we ever do anything to help you guys? you’re strongly vindicating us here in supposedly “never ma[king] any code contributions” or “donat[ing] any money” (and i’m just going to grant you that for the sake of argument, i’m not even sure it’s true). i’m not going to contribute to someone’s software when they’re openly contemptuous of me for trying to make their software better.

if i was on the fence previously about the upthread critique that you guys are kind of assholes to anybody who dissents about what you think should be the way forward, i am no longer. all i can say further is that you are acting severely out of pocket here as a spokesperson for the software and as a community manager and i would strongly encourage you to log off at this point before you say something that make your community relations even worse than they already are.

I encourage you to do that and point your demands and entitlement at someone else.

respectfully (and as someone who has not paid attention to this thread outside of my one comment): i am continually failing to understand how asking you guys to give us better moderation tools to do our jobs–which is our primary reason we’re even looking elsewhere and, if resolved, would likely placate about 90% of the problem we have with continuing to use your software–is entitlement. we’re basically handing you a silver platter entitled “hey, here is our problem, and here is how you can keep us on Lemmy in the long term” and you guys seem to just not take that seriously at all? and now you seem to want to debate us out of thinking it’s an issue while simultaneously telling us to fuck off for investing in your software at all!

I do not support the overall goal of beehaw, though that is not related to the content of what I posted above.

i mean this respectfully but… why would you use a place you don’t support the overall goal of? from my perspective all of this just seems like a waste of your time, because you could just be putting all the energy you have in this thread behind a community you actually support

Beehaw’s defederation purpose is very clear, and they didn’t start the drama. The mods of Beehaw started it as a safe space for minorities and marginalized communities, which is why you have to apply for an account there in the first place.

also just to hop in here and underscore a really important point: THE DRAMA IS LITERALLY ALL USERS BEING WEIRD ABOUT THIS. NOBODY ON THE ADMIN SIDE CARES. WE ARE LITERALLY COORDINATING WITH THE PEOPLE WE DEFEDERATED WITH (and a bunch of other folks) TO MAKE THE PLATFORM BETTER SO WE DON’T EVEN HAVE TO DO THIS. THERE IS NO ENMITY BETWEEN US AT ALL. this is so fucking weird to watch play out, because it’s all people getting mad on behalf of their instances when everybody behind the scenes is chill and understands!

By not being prepared for it. It was setup with default communities, like technology for example (correct me if I’m wrong), but no plan to deal with those with moderation capabilities and levels that reach their own standard.

i mean… yeah? it’s not every day you suddenly have 5x the number of total users on your site visiting the site per minute because a major corporation just did something extremely unpopular with no forewarning. if we had that kind of clairvoyance, i’d be a millionaire and running this site would just be my full-time job. this strikes me as an irrational critique informed by the hindsight you have now, weeks after it began.

Somehow lemmy.world and others can deal with it without defederating others so that’s where I’ll go.

this is primarily because they have more permissive rules and no defined ethos they’re trying to upkeep—or at least, they don’t have the latter in a way that requires constant maintenance. (as a point of note last i checked, lemmy.world didn’t even have listed rules, per se,^[1] so it’d be hard to parse what’s even not allowed as a user besides “actively illegal content”) we, by contrast, have a very clear idea of what we want—we spent a year thinking about it, and we’re at a year and a half of making it reality—so defederation in the absence of better mod tools is an extremely obvious way to maintain that. actually it’s the only tool we have in a lot of cases, which is a gripe we have with Lemmy that we’re trying to solve

Or in this case, it is an ego driven crybaby fest because someone got jealous other instances got big.

i don’t see how this would logically follow—wouldn’t our course of action if we wanted this to be something like opening registrations? we very much don’t have a shortage of people clamoring to get in here—our backlog is 4,500—and if anything we’re worried about too many people, not too few. we simply have no interest in growth at all costs, and we were… honestly pretty fine with being a 700-user instance before the big blowup here. certainly it’d have been less stressful, lol

yeah this is like everything on our defederation list besides lemmygrad, shitjustworks, and lemmyworld–we’re literally using a block list which is dedicated to those kinds of instances

FYI i think lemmy did the “switch a post out from under you” bug

obviously it’s a bit chaotic because anyone can input stuff and i’m not sure how curated the output is, but i like to just surf the “read a message” button. here’s one i just got:

dear reader,

you might not understand now. you might not believe, or trust it now. but i do. i trust that this message finds the right people. if you are seeing this it’s because you were supposed to. this is your message:

remember that you aren’t alone in this world and that they might not be in your life currently but there are people who care about you so keep on going (;

P.S. i love you more than you could ever imagine <3333 keep doing ya thang luv

privately, i’ve kind of wondered whether Reddit does even care if all of its subreddits are moderated horribly, and if it doesn’t whether that renders anything short of taking your ball and going home moot

new megathread is here

this is one of those videos that i’m pretty confident is just timeless, and no matter how many times i come back to it i still get enjoyment out of viewing it. pretty rare for what’s essentially a meme video, i’d have to say!

just double checked modlogs and yeah we have no records of this being deleted so …? not sure what happened here

FYI, this has been posted in the megathread over here; i actually had to quickly scramble to send this really good interview that way earlier lol

this is a great interview with Christian, fyi, for people who haven’t seen it yet

brief site downtime (had to fix something), we’re back

hey folks, new megathread is thataway since this one has like 500 comments already and news is quickly cycling in and out of date. we’ll lock this one down shortly. thanks!