Any chance vtc will also turn off up votes some time in the future?

Cool post.

Get rid of votes.

They’re only useful for ranking content and content is only useful in the context of ad revenue.

You don’t have to be on reddit anymore.

Get rid of votes.

They only rank replies and posts as content, which is only useful for advertising or providing a platform without ads that hooks into the same antisocial behaviors that an ad revenue driven one would.

They also discourage replies, promote groupthink and provide a vector for abuse.

Get rid of votes. You’re not on reddit anymore, you don’t have to be a redditor .

Ty🫡

What could possibly go wrong!

What are some of your old accounts?

Yes. We should get rid of upvotes too to make it fair.

Yeah I know there’s votes on stuff other than lemmy. There shouldn’t be for all the reasons I keep saying. What some other platforms use votes as a stand in for (except for maybe mobilizon, idk much about that one) are weird hacks like the boost/rt implementation or shouldn’t exist.

I’m talking about it at the protocol level because you took it there and because without a for profit content mill votes serve no purpose.

If votes not being secure isn’t a problem then why does it blow up like crazy every time someone makes a post about it? Also, it’s obviously a huge problem. Minimizing it by saying it’s just part of any federated system just sounds crazy.

My overarching point is that the structure informs and defines the function and when there’s a structural reenforcement to karma farming, vote laundering and general shitty Reddit (or twitter) style behavior the solution is to remove that part of the structure.

It should come as no surprise to you that I’m not gonna go off half cocked on git about this. I’m well aware that it sounds like primo old man yelling at clouds. The only reason I’m talking to you about it is in the hope that other people see the conversation and go “damn, it sounds weird but he’s cookin’”.

Once enough people realize that noncommercial social media has a different form than it’s predecessors there’s an actual chance that some fundamental change to activitypub could happen. That mr smith goes to Washington stuff never worked.

Yeah, it would break all those things for which votes provide no benefit. They should be broken.

There isn’t any use for votes on a platform that isn’t using them to automatically rank content for the purposes of profit.

Running a voteless instance of one of those does no good because the problem is structural. Votes aren’t secure and their whole purpose is to manipulate what content gets shown to users. People using the votes to make something get shown (or not) isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.

The existence of a system that ranks content according to votes changes how people behave on the platform. Spinning up an instance that just doesn’t allow or show votes doesn’t change the problem that all the content is produced using the vote system and reflects it.

You can take the guy out of Reddit…

My reply to you was sarcasm. Specifications can be changed. Things can be removed from them.

Too bad activitypub is carved in stone and can’t be changed for any reason.

You’re commenting in a thread about vote spam. How can there be vote spam without votes?

If you’re worried about content spam why not look to the uhh 40 years of solutions to that problem.

I guess. Ones really effective and tells everyone around you that the person is a nazi in case they were cloaking it, pushes back on their bullshit and makes everyone aware that it’s not okay to say shit like that and that it is okay to fight them.

The other is a downvote and changes where the nazi content ends up in a rank.

Suppress nazis by bullying them, not by passively downvoting their hate speech and moving on.

You don’t. Ranked content is a solution for owners of social media platforms to avoid paying moderators. It’s a no brainer if you want a cheap automatic advertising platform but isn’t great and requires constant intervention if you’re not monetizing somehow.

Get rid of votes. They suck.

Pretty much an idea of what you’re trying to avoid or mitigate in specific real terms. Theres more but I’m sure someone with a background in information security could explain it better than I can.

Imma sound lame but consider working up a threat model.