LOL I’m sorry my opinion is so annoying LOL.

We didn’t migrate “as a community”. All the same communities still exist on reddit.

Good lord. If you think lemmy votes are an indicator of solid reasoning I don’t know what to tell you.

Communities aren’t going to move away from lemmy.ml because no one cares enough about this issue.

You can dream that that’s how communities ought to work but they just don’t.

It’s as though you only read the last sentence of my comment

Disagree.

In my experience ist the vast majority of mods on any platform. Lemmy has some of the worst in my experience.

The solution is… to abandon the notion that there’s some special utopia where we might reside.

There’s an idea that we all need to find or build some special platform which is going to be a home for all our communities and be transparent and balanced and free from corporate influence and perpetually shiny and awesome. It’s not only unachievable but probably not desirable either.

Instead, embrace the reality that the communities we want to engage with will be in different places on different platforms and each will have different issues.

There’s some niche communities on reddit, and yes that platform is run by a corporation but that doesn’t bother me when I’m only there to find a new recipe for snack that matches my diet requirements. I despise facebook but I do use their marketplace to sell junk my wife buys online. I’m aware of the privacy issues with telegram but that’s where I have a family chat group with my sisters. I recently discovered an XMPP channel about DIY bike maintenance which has been amazingly helpful, but I don’t like the XMPP clients I’ve tried. The forum on a torrent tracker I use is a great place to find new books to read but I need to use a VPN to access it.

My point is, the best part of the modern web is the disparate platforms we have available. Every platform has it’s own character, and caveats to be mindful of.

The kind of censorship you’re talking about is obviously repugnant, but the reality is that it’s just something to keep in mind when participating in lemmy.ml communities. You can refuse to participate there if you wish, but a mass-exodus on that basis just isn’t how things should work in 2024.

meh. I don’t think anyone is that interested.

I really want to understand their relationship with the CCP.

Do they genuinely believe the shit they’re peddling or are they paid propagandists or is their something more nefarious afoot.

This just wouldn’t work.

Most mods wouldn’t willingly hold an election that potentially saw their fief moved away from their control.

Also most communities just aren’t that organised. Like if today everyone decided to move, tomorrow everyone would still visit and participate in the old community.

The “election” is perpetual. People will vote with their participation.

Amazing.

Mods will never tell you that you’ve been moderated.

Mods are generally fieflords exercising their mediocre powers for kicks. It wouldn’t be much fun if they had to have a discussion with all of the poors about why they’ve been censored.

Promoting crypto you say?

Sure. This thread is talking about lemmy.ml, but I’m talking about the current state of the lemmyverse.

I’ve posted this elsewhere in this thread but my unpopular opinion is that federation by default is not sustainable.

Presently admins federate with everyone and blacklist those which are problematic.

It’s inevitable that in the near future someone with a rudimentary understanding of hosting will be able to spin up a dozen instances, each with a few thousand bot accounts, intent on upvoting every “genocide Joe biden” comment.

The fediverse will shatter. Admins will realise they need policies to guide their own moderation, and acknowledge that they can only federate with specific instances with compatible moderation.

So instead of blacklisting bad instances, you need to change to whitelisting good ones.

Perhaps more accurately, anarchy only works if everyone’s objectives are similar or at least compatible.

Like it would be nice to live in a town where you don’t need to lock your doors, but it only takes one asshole to make that untenable.

I would challenge you to think about how votes can influence the culture of a community.

You’re correct in that worrying about how many upvotes you can accumulate is very reddit.

I’m not really talking about karma accumulation, but rather the way votes can influence visibility of comments. When done methodically, this promotes some ideas over others, and presents an illusion that “everyone else thinks so”. This is a very, very powerful way to influence a community.

We are hard wired to absorb the opinions of those around us. Sure you can disagree with other group members, but even that is an acknowledgement that the alternative perspective you’re disagreeing with is a popular one.

You could absolutely influence people’s opinions on lemmy just with a hacked instance that manipulated votes on comments by just a few dozen points.

My unpopular opinion: Federating with everyone by default is not sustainable.

It’s inevitable that the lemmyverse will shatter, and everyone will be better for it.

Instances will develop their own policies around moderation and behaviour, and federate with other instances with compatible policies.

Basically, federation only works if everyone is acting in good faith. It wouldn’t take much for a single entity acting in bad faith to fuck the entire fediverse presently.

Presently admits are blacklisting the bad faith instances. That’s going to change so admins whitelist compatible instances.

Can we stop this please?

It was never that revolutionary in the first place - “if you allow assholes to be assholes everything will go to shit” - I’m shocked.

… but now, after seeing it as a reply to every second comment on lemmy, it’s just spam and doesn’t inform discussion in any way.

Good lord. It’s as though you haven’t bothered to read any other comments in this thread.

Blocking instances yourself doesn’t solve anything. At all.

Honestly, I’m so weary of being open minded and tolerant. I just want to look at linux memes in peace.

Yes but surely you can understand that even votes from these poorly moderated instances are distorting the discourse elsewhere in the lemmyverse.

Just because you can’t see it does not mean the problem is solved.