Very well thought out post. It seems like they are considering pretty big measures. I think the next logical place to go for them is to whitelist instead of blacklist. Sucks for self hosters, but in general gives Beehaw what they want.

Moderation tools seem to be the biggest problem for the poster. They also say the devs don’t see it as a priority. They say they’ve even offered bounties to add better tool support. Moderation tools get brought up all the time on Lemmy—I agree that it should be the main focus or development right now TBH.

Good. IMHO all governments should post to open source rather than proprietary systems.

These fediverse reports are cool, thanks for sharing.

Also the article had a great link to how Mastodon and Lemmy work internally with ActivityPub. Here’s the direct link the article provides to how Lemmy works:

https://seb.jambor.dev/posts/understanding-activitypub-part-2-lemmy/

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how did they know you had blocked them?

Refreshingly candid and thorough.

I know they were going to start using Cloudflare, which will handle DDOS among other things. Not sure if they have started yet.

that is total nonsense

While reading this thread, your comments stood out to me as seeming inflammatory. Instead of making a statement like that, maybe make a good counter argument?

This is a fantastic point. The more the financial burden falls on one person, the more likely it is that at some point the expense will become too great for that individual admin to carry.

So from a financial perspective it makes a lot of sense to have many small/medium sized instances rather than a few large ones.

You suggest when an instance reaches a given size, stop recommending it. Totally agree. Based on known expenses for instances, it might not be a bad idea to have a recommended threshold (number of users) at which to stop or slow signups as well.

There are several places that would need to be updated when it comes to recommending instances. One that comes to my mind right away is apps. Several apps only list the top 4-5 instances when signing up. And default to Lemmy.world. It’s not a great situation to be in, but I think we can make a change if this info gets circulated more broadly.

Yep, I agree. Consider the scenario of, for a number of months, donations don’t reach that 80 euro number. If the admin simply doesn’t have that 80 euros, they have much more motivation to terminate the instance immediately.

I don’t think 80 euros per month is an unreasonable “last resort” for an admin to be able to float for at least a few months if absolutely necessary to give users a heads up the instance will be shutting down.

I don’t think 80 euros per month is an unreasonable hosting bill, either. However, compare that number with the number Beehaw lists on their financials for August: https://beehaw.org/post/6921483. $523.79. (That’s a total cost number, not just hosting)

With all this said, I do absolutely think sites should ideally run purely from donations. However, I don’t think a prospective admin should jump in and create an instance unless they are aware of the potential costs that may fall on them, and be able to handle those costs independently for 2-3 months to give users a chance to migrate.

Heck yeah! Great to see you on here.

My opinions are the same as yours, in my little experience. There’s not a lot of content on there, you can’t see content from other instances, and the content that is on there is not high quality.

One thought that crossed my mind was having a PeerTube instance backing each of the major Lemmy instances for video upload. Anything to reduce our dependence on corporate frequently used sites like YouTube and imgr.

Ok so here’s where it starts falling apart in my head. First, as another poster mentioned, the costs would be through the roof compared to a link aggregating site like Lemmy. From what I understand PeerTube does some Bit torrenty stuff to reduce bandwidth usage. And IPFS could help as well. But at the end of the day you need a server hosting this as a source of truth, with the monumental cost that accounts for.

The other huge problem is moderation. We need strong moderation because jackasses are going to upload CSAM. As single files. Spliced into the middle of legitimate videos. And the fediverse is way too important to have it be associated with that crap. So like I said, extremely strong moderation, for free.

I want to see Peertube take off and overcome these hurdles. If there’s anything I can help develop I’d be happy to take on a ticket.

According to a post from Zuckerberg on his Instagram broadcast channel

Seems like a missed opportunity, not making the announcement on Threads itself.

I think it could be. But right now there is not much content. In fact, as I’ve browsed, the content that is on there is not good at all.

I think it could be useful say with a Peertube instance associated with a Lemmy instance, and when you want to post a video it hosts it in Peertube.

22 instances in Antarctica? I’m guessing that’s actually those who don’t want to reveal their location? Or maybe they’ve trained some penguins as sysadmins.

I agree. At least from the corporate point of view, I think they see the fediverse as a small set of people who are unlikely to use the company’s product anyway.

Awesome to see.

It would be interesting if when creating account on a website, along with “Signup with Facebook” and “Signup with Google” there was a “Signup with Mastodon”. Not sure if that would be good or bad.

When a company says “a long way out” it often ends up meaning “never”. Fingers crossed.

Agreed. Ideally we would be able to completely migrate identities between instances. I know Mastodon has this capability (haven’t tried it, don’t know how difficult it is).

I’m not on Beehaw, but it seems well run based on the decisions they make and who they let in.