omg you’re serious. ha ha, dumbass.

Hate speech. Reported. Not cool.

There is no real dichotomy between the logo we have and the proposed typographical symbol. They have different uses, neither can really replace the other. Keep the established colourful Fediverse logo in visual layouts and when desired use the typographical symbol in text. It is natural that they won’t be exactly the same symbol because they are designed for different needs; one is meant to look pretty and one is meant to read well as text.

No I’m just so very bored and this is the classic bikeshed issue so I figure I won’t cause any problems here.

Booo!!! Satan hater!! Hey everyone, this guy hates Satan!!!

That’s nonsense.

If you know what those reasons are, then whether or not they have been articulated should not influence how you feel about those reasons. To think I could control your mind by not saying things. Just think of all the things I am not saying right now. You’ll go mad.

If you DON’T know what those reasons are, then you are simply not able to respect them less than you do now.

I… umm… yes, I will grant that in UTF-8 and perhaps UTF-16, it encodes to fewer bytes. But that doesn’t have anything to do with my point.

Oh my god, you’re right. How could I have failed to see the risk. They must be stopped at all costs.

pretty sure this guy is trying to trick someone else into summoning a demon. It’s like telling people to hit alt-f4 to chat.

I don’t think it works well typographically but I’d like to see a mockup

eg as a link where using a word 300 times on the same page would be cumbersome

this guy RCFs

It’s not being used by another group to represent themselves. It’s a technical symbol like degrees or pi. This idea is similar to how the semicolon is being re-used as a symbol for a group of people. Nothing is being stolen from anyone.

Can you answer, “Why do we need a symbol that represents the Fediverse?” Because modulo that, your question becomes, “Why does the symbol that represents the Fediverse have to have a Unicode codepoint?”

We don’t need it to be a Unicode character, but there are advantages if it is that are so obvious they don’t even bear discussion.

It’s literally a character, like aitch.

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I’m pretty sure we’re cool to use it. The advantage of using a glyph that already exists in Unicode is huge.

Intelligent creatures suffered a lifetime of atrocity to produce this photo.

I skipped Fark but after Reddit I spent a lot of time on the greater Fediverse before Lemmy got critical mass.

No, we don’t disagree, though you might be reading in a stronger point than I made. I don’t recall saying it’s all capital’s fault, whatever “it” is. However, I could probably be baited into doing so.

A tremendous amount of capital has been poured into Internet ventures. It out-competes mere human altruism. I think that if we want to have meaningful human experiences in our lives, we need to intentionally create spaces capital is not interested in occupying, or is prevented from occupying.

I think the janky details are important. Not the actual details, just the fact that they are janky. It forces one to understand and engage with the medium, which gives one power over the medium instead of the other way around. I think humans getting old, sharing what they know, and passing on is a vital feature of the human social experience, not a bug we need to patch around. (Ed Hew’s registrar.ca will always be my spiritual domain registry.) There are lots of good business reasons why we would like commodified services provided by fungible service units rather than a society of human relationships, but I suspect there are some important psychological reasons for doing it the messy way, though no benefits to capital.

I think human spaces will always be fleeting and messy, as humanity constantly loses control of the most lucrative and populated spaces to our own greedy wealth. Human spaces are hard to use because they are always shifting, displaced and forced out to the frontiers, where things are less comfortable. In a real way we are all becoming marginalized citizens of an increasingly less human globe-spanning empire.

Fair. It’s not the same but the tools are there. Anyone can set up their own root servers. All that’s needed is a way for people to conveniently opt in / stop visiting Reddit. There’s no reason there couldn’t be (and in fact, there probably are) shadow root servers used by distributed organizations.

In the old days, when you wanted to do something new on the Internet, you designed a protocol and published an RFC. Perhaps you provide a reference implementations, but maybe you didn’t. Anyone who wanted to could implement clients and servers for that protocol. People created things just to empower each other.

Today, capital dominates development on the Internet. When capital wants to provide a new service, it encapsulates it in an app. Users may only interact with the service as an access-controlled black box. Capital creates things to parasitically multiply itself.

The old Internet never went away. It never really even stopped growing in absolute terms. It just got out-competed by the wild malignant growth of the commercial Internet. But, the old one is still there, and today it’s like it was in the 1980s, early 90s all over again; people who live on the old Internet are once again finding ourselves alienated from mainstream culture.

Now that debt isn’t free and unlimited anymore, things might change. I hope the old, free, distributed, democratic Internet has a revival. Everyone who doesn’t find us or can’t unplug from the matrix is going to get terribly exploited.