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  • octopus_ink@lemmy.mltoFediverse@lemmy.ml•Fedi Garden to Instance Admins: "Block Threads to Remain Listed"English
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    7 months ago

    This is an incorrect assumption, because

    And somewhere in this very discussion some other person has given a very plausible overview of their potential EEE approach. I’ll add a link to that comment later when I have time to find it again.

    In a non snarky way I say that if the dozens of actual past actions linked in the two wikipedia links, plus the recent events I linked, still leave you in doubt, I don’t see how a plausible but still speculative EEE summary is going to tip you over, but I’ll clap anyway if it does, so:

    https://lemmy.ml/comment/9792668

    Quoting @[email protected] :

    What’s the number of Threads users compared to Lemmy? If the number of Threads users greatly outweigh the number of Lemmy users, then we’d simply be drowned out by all the Threads posts. That’s part one of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

    Extend adds functionality to Threads that Lemmy either can’t support or won’t support for a while due to development time. People migrate to Threads because Lemmy is “missing” functionality. Plus, though I’m not clear on the exact legal specifications, proprietary code can be added to open-source code, and the proprietary code would be copyrighted. In other words, Lemmy devs would have to figure out a way to interact with and mimic Threads’ proprietary code using open-source code.

    Extinguish is when Threads’ support of Lemmy is eventually dropped. The users left on Lemmy have suddenly lost a huge amount of content, and they’re left with fewer users than before Threads enabled federation.

    There are definitely limits to my optimism here.

    I do feel a little bit bad being the table pounding pessimist in this circumstance, but I don’t see how one can look at this company’s history and come to any other conclusion. It frustrates me like few other areas of disagreement about tech do to imagine folks look at everything Meta has done and think we need to wait and see how they will handle this.

    Regardless, I appreciate the conversation. :)

  • octopus_ink@lemmy.mltoFediverse@lemmy.ml•Fedi Garden to Instance Admins: "Block Threads to Remain Listed"English
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    7 months ago

    f people are worried that Threads will affect likes and comments (and therefore like/comment-based sorting algorithms) on other instances, it should always be possible to exclude Threads’s contribution to those metrics, no?

    That’s one of the effects of defederating. And you are still ignoring the overall point of the comment 2 layers up from your reply.

    Really I think you are losing the forest for the trees. Meta/Facebook/Zuck is a known quantity. They will corrupt and exploit any environment they are a part of via any means they can. We don’t need to be able to predict every last detail of how they will do so to know it is true. They have a track record of being awful, anti-consumer corporate citizens. WHY would we want to try to invite them in and try to contain them? Can we make the fediverse invisible to them? Of course we can’t, but why would we cooperate in any way?

    Folks who don’t think this is a problem can use an instance that federates with them, just as I’ve chosen ( and will always choose) an instance that does not.

    There is no reasonable argument for trying to be a good neighbor to Meta, because you can always, always be sure that Meta has no concern for being a good neighbor to you.

  • octopus_ink@lemmy.mltoFediverse@lemmy.ml•Fedi Garden to Instance Admins: "Block Threads to Remain Listed"English
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    7 months ago

    I don’t really see the point of this comment.

    • Is it that we should not hold Threads at arms length because [citation needed] Zuck was once a tech idealist and had lots in common with current fediverse denizens? (setting aside my doubt for the moment)

     

    If so, I don’t really care how nice and kind Zuck was when he was a freshman in college. I care about what he has done since then, and leading up to now.

     

    • Is it that one day I may not like something large Lemmy instances do, so should not be so anti-Threads?

     

    I don’t even get that idea, so I am guessing that can’t be it.

     

    Much the same as Reddit, Google, Apple, etc. Do you remember? Those of us who lived through it remember.

    I lived through using 8" floppies, so yes, I remember.

    Which of those are open source projects that anyone can fork and/or run their own instance of at any time, providing a place for people to seamlessly transition from Reddit, Google, or Apple if they don’t like what those companies do with their platform? The comparison you are trying to make falls apart immediately.