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  • Hanlon’s Razor is all well and good as a heuristic, but tends to lead to people discounting malice much too often.

    There’s definitely scenarios where that is the case.

    Also, I really didn’t say we were “under attack”

    I would describe a massive influx of spambots as an attack on a social media platform. It’s my characterization. I didn’t mean to imply that you said it.



  • Lemmy is a federated system and these stats are self-reported by user maintained systems. Rather than a sudden influx of users (bots or otherwise), a misconfigured system or hiccup in stats collection seems more likely.

    Generally, Hanlon’s Razor, add applied to computing: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity user error.

    There’s a lot of malicious systems out there, but there is little corroborating evidence indicating that we’re under attack.








  • It’s not just ad-free, it’s actively anti-corporate, anti-advertising, even anti-monetization.

    There are upvoted positive posts and comments about

    1. the Switch 2 announcement (but not Nintendo’s legal policy),

    2. the Framework advertising event last week,

    3. Valve/Steam/SteamOS/Steamdeck/Gabe Newell in general,

    4. Costco in general,

    5. EVs in general (excluding Tesla and Cybertrucks 😂),

    6. podcasts that solicit funding and carry advertising,

    7. anime and anime adjacent products,

    8. Lenovo’s laptops,

    9. individuals selling stuff on Redbubble/Etsy/OnlyFans,

    10. subscription razor blade delivery (not from Amazon),

    11. and “voting with your wallet”.

    It’d be cool if the platform made it easier for orgs to build and interact with a following here. Niches of users really like talking about them. That doesn’t mean ads, it means features that would benefit regular users as well.


  • maybe this place is just not for influencers - not like the corp platforms, anyway

    The things people need to build a livelihood on a platform are quality of life features. In a lot of cases, I think it’s small stuff: being able to reward patrons with a tag on a specific community; automatically highlighting popular posts; making it easy to find a user’s monetization page; etc.

    I think the fediverse will attract more and more people with its network effects, but probably never all of the people all of the time.

    At the moment, Lemmy is an ad-free version of Reddit missing some community and notification features. There are good political reasons to be here, but that hasn’t driven a sustained increase in users.

    So we won’t get critical mass for network effects by being a better Reddit.

    One to make the platform self-sustaining (or grow) is to give creators a reason to use the platform, which will give people a reason to come and stay.



  • I want to be among people who interact as equals, who share ideas, who cooperate in a genuine way.

    I think online journalism might be a good example of influencers and users interacting as equals. Users provide extra information, ask questions, reify, and help highlight where the journalist can focus. The journalist does the leg work to produce novel news.

    If we try a shortcut to more users through money, what is the point?

    To build an interesting, self sustaining network, where people can express themselves fully, and understand each other.

    The features I’m suggesting would benefit everyone: a decent view of trending topics/posts/tags; mod-controlled tags; stuff like that. Most users would find them helpful, but a few could use it to build a livelihood that others value.



  • Now, I also think that the monymaker needing to serve millions of people can go and do that elsewhere.

    That’s the issue. If we’re gonna get evil tech bros out of our human interactions, we need to build a platform that doesn’t reject people who like to eat.

    Journalists need to get access to sources, and want to see when events are happening.

    Documentary creators want a way to create interesting and useful videos that will earn them a living.

    Streamers want a platform that can serve a bunch of users with near-realtime (okay, just fast) interactions.

    That’s what OP’s link is missing: being able to use a platform to do your preferred job is one of the things that makes a platform compelling. Until we have that, we’re rejecting a big part of our audience.


  • The fediverse won’t succeed just because it’s better. It will succeed if and only if people choose it.

    Part of that is making it monetizable. Influencers can build huge followings (and make some cash) because existing platforms recommend their content to other users.

    Mastodon devs have chosen not to provide recommendations and quote posts. That’s reasonable, but it reduces the utility of the platform, and it cedes space to Twitter & co.

    To my knowledge, the only creator that’s exclusive to Lemmy is the unix surrealism author. Until it’s easy to monetize content, we’re gonna have a hard time attracting creators, and a hard time attracting users.


  • I don’t think any comments in this thread have referred to Nazis or fascism, other than yours. Nobody here is disagreeing that those things are bad.

    I used your comment as an illustration that Lemmy has a tiny Overton window: when anyone comments outside the window, they’re smacked down. Instead of asking the original commenter for clarification, your comment suggested they want Nazis on the platform. That was a good illustration of my point.

    Your comments in this thread only make sense if you assume the worst about other Lemmites. Please don’t do that. If there’s ambiguity, there’s no need to assume we’re douche wagons. Maybe ask for clarification. Make a friendly joke? I dunno.


  • So you are saying Lemmy can’t compete because we don’t have enough Nazis?

    I’m saying that comments outside of a very narrow world view on Lemmy are greeted with hostility. Like the comment I’m replying to.

    This covers lots of different areas. I get downvotes and snarky comments when I say I like the wrong Lemmy client or browser. When I ask about suggestions for a ttrpg, I get a snarky comment saying I’m asking questions wrong. When the leader of the Canadian Conservative party comes up in conversation, saying he does anything effectively is met with snark and downvotes - not that he’s good, but that he’s effective at something.

    I understand this is a shitty time in US politics. I don’t like the outcome either - Trump is gonna make my life worse, and I don’t live in the US. But look at your comments on this thread: they’re hostile towards people that probably agree with you. This kind of rage makes the platform unwelcoming and shitty.