Everything Whedon has ever done was mid, and I’m going to be banned for saying that, probably.

Search will never search non-local content.

Which is the point I’m trying to make: right now, you cannot use search as a discoverability medium, unless you’re on something the scale of mastodon.social.

Search with a focus on new content discoverability is utterly useless for smaller or single user instances, because a search that only finds things you already know about isn’t exactly a useful search for discoverability.

If I have to be on the biggest instances, then there’s very little difference between something like Bluesky and Mastodon in terms of usability, and uh, I might as well pick the one that’s more likely to have the most growth and diversity of content.

We have to give up on the idea of having easy and direct access to the whole of thw fediverse.

I agree, and it’s why I’ve pretty much migrated back to centralized services with the exception of Lemmy, because Lemmy works very well in terms of finding useful shit to follow in a way that literally no other federated platform does.

The problem I ran into is that every single platform that primarily interacted with Mastodon (The keys, etc.) had the same exact same set of problems.

While yes, my Firefish instance had search, what was it searching? Local data only, and once I figured out that Mastodon-style replies didn’t federate to all of someone’s followers, it became pretty clear that it was uh, not very useful.

You can search, but any given server may or may not have access to data you actually want and thus, well, you just plain cannot meaningfully search for shit unless you go to one of the mega instances, or join giant piles of relays and store gigabyte upon gigabyte upon gigabyte of garbage data you do not care about.

The whole implementation is kinda garbage for search-based discovery from it’s very basic design all the way through to everyone’s implementations.

For me, it’s full text search.

I tend to want to find an opinion on something very specific, so if I can just toss a phrase or model number or name of something into a search field and get actual non-AI, non-advertisement, non-stupid-shit results, that’d be absolutely ideal.

Like, say, how Google worked 15 years ago.

Install it and use it?

Their PDS is self hosted, but it does still rely on the central relays (though you COULD host that yourself if you wanted to pay for it, I suppose?).

It’s very centralized, but it’s not that different from what you’d have to do to make Mastodon useful: a small/single user instance will get zero content, even if you follow a lot of people, without also adding several relays to work around some of the design decisions made by the Mastodon team regarding replies and how federation works for those kind of things, as well as to populate hashtags and searches and such.

Though really you shouldn’t do any of that, and just use a good platform for discussion, like a forum or a threadiverse platform. (No seriously, absolutely hate “microblog” shit because it’s designed to just be zingers and hot takes and not actual meaningful conversations.)

15 million Series A financing

Maybe shitty corporate search engines are failing me, but has there been a stated valuation for Bluesky? Googling 'Bluesky valuation" or any combination thereof is a problem since that’s a business term so lol, lmao, search engine worthless.

$8m seed + $15m A series may be a shockingly small amount of equity, or it could be the whole damn company but I’m just not seeing it actually posted anywhere.

Two thoughts come to mind:

1. If it’s there and you aren’t having it shoved down your throat, then that’s still a VAST improvement over Twitter, which has gone from shitty social media to blatant hate indoctrination platform.

and

2. Did you just now discover that most people are shitty? I always assumed most people figured that out at 13 or 14.

My read was ‘we need to make more communities, AND we need more users’ and I’m not sure why more communities solves anything since I’ve shown Lemmy to several actual real touch-grass kind of friends and they’re all like ‘but why? there’s nothing there.’

Which is both very wrong, and completely understandable because if you go searching for a community about something, you’ll find a whole lot of no activity ones and that’s just a misleading and confusing presentation which they’re taking the wrong impression away from.

I don’t think there’s a group of users who are just sitting out there waiting for a community about Longaberger baskets to make the jump off reddit, but there are a LOT of people who would move if it looks like it’s not just another “reddit killer” with lots of empty zones of nothingness.

Hard disagree.

A million empty communities simply makes all of lemmy look like a barren wasteland nobody uses.

We, if anything, need to stop making a community for every single edgecase that someone might ever one day want to talk about, and focus on the basics, until there’s enough people interested in some random niche thing to justify adding the community.

That is to say, it should be organic community growth led by users making a more specific community from a larger community, and not server admins making, for example, 421,000 different sports team communities hoping users will somehow magically appear and use any of them.

Lemmy is still at the scale that a single /c/NFL could more than adequately handle the entire volume of people talking about NFL games, and we don’t really need a /c/ for each league, team, player, and coach or whatever.

Read up on the saga of /r/jailbait sometime if you want to be utterly confused how the FBI didn’t show up and arrest everyone involved with Reddit.

I don’t think a change in testing on YouTube for the last few days made any difference to the number of people who used PeerTube last month.

I like PeerTube and use it where I can, but it’s still basically the content problem, which is to say there’s no content on PeerTube from anyone I follow on Youtube with the exception of one dude. (Hi Jan Beta!)

I watch mostly tech/retro tech/retro gaming/random old crap Youtube stuff so it’s a big overlap in user bases, but, well, no monetization means there’s no incentive for people who do that as a job so there’s still… nothing there.

Youtube won’t make a critical screw up that’ll tilt the scales meaningfully in the favor of other platforms unless they massacre payouts to the point that Patreon and sponsor funded creators no longer care about Google’s pennies, and will be more receptive to at least parallel uploads to other platforms.

The user experience is unlikely to enshittify enough that creators decide to bail from the google money, no matter what they do.

If you’ve never seen it, https://github.com/PeerConnect/peer-connect is a clever solution to p2p CDN stuff.

It’s not Bittorrent for images, but it’s still a shockingly elegant thing.

It’s probably a dead project, but I ran across it and went ‘why is this not how everything works’.

A vast majority of instance software will store all old remote non-media data (that could easily be re-fetched when needed) permanently, even if nobody has seen it in years.

Seriously, this is the most befuddling design decision. There’s no reason to cache that data more than like, maybe a week.

Maybe it’s because I’m a sysadmin background type and not a programmer, but the endless obsession that fedi-software has with caching everything at every stop along the route from the poster to the person reading the post is just the most weird thing to me.

We all knew it was possible

I wouldn’t bet on that, which is why I mentioned moderated groups at all. As you said, they’re rare and even if you used usenet 20 or 25 or 30 years ago, the odds that you’d have ever seen one was shockingly low.

So even ex-usenet users might not have a clue that there was a method for doing that (let alone any of the people who aren’t that old), which is why I brought it up.

You forgot both ‘Don’t send too much email’ and ‘Fail to send enough email’ as qualifiers, as well.

Which I think is the big thing that hits more people than anything else, since ‘too much traffic’ and ‘not enough traffic’ are not defined and so you can easily be caught by one, then the other, then end up in purgatory.

(This is mostly a Microsoft problem rather than a Google problem, but still.)

Off the top of my head: Windsquid, Rockwhale, Waterclam.

convincing ourselves that the fediverse is actually very simple

There’s a difference between ‘technically simple’ and ‘understandable UX’.

Your mom doesn’t need to know how ActivityPub works or the intricacies of federation. She just needs to know to log in and go to c/cutecats.

The early-adopter curse here is causing way too much technobabble to be involved in descriptions that just confuse people, and it’s technical aspects that the nerd cohort here is fascinated by, but uh, nobody else is.

The real leap will be to resist the urge to pull out the PPT and spend 3 hours and 10,000 words explaining how Lemmy works vs the much more concise how-to-use-Lemmy details that people actually want.

There’s a lot of assumptions being made by a lot of people that “normal” people are stupid and couldn’t understand ‘It’s a conversation platform like Reddit, but it’s run by it’s users and that’s why there’s a lot of servers who all talk to each other’ and so there’s a lot of hand wringing about how you have to explain all the details and such, which really, isn’t all that true.

Every non-technical person I’ve explained it to like that immediately understands what it is, how you’d use it, and what it’s used for and I’ll occasionally get a ‘Oh, neat, how does all that work?’ question I can then expand on, but that’s like, maybe 1 out of 20.

TLDR: too many details is not helpful for most people, and nerds loooooove going into more detail than anyone could possibly care about

unmoderated

Fun fact: that’s not strictly true.

You could have moderated groups, where a moderator/group of moderators would get sent every post via email, and they’d only be posted into the group if approved.

The vast, vast, vast majority of groups were not moderated, but that’s not to say you couldn’t do so.

The first one or two, maybe. The next 50, eh not quite as much.

I suppose I’m just a boomer who doesn’t get the kids anymore?

It’s nice when the uh, um, jerks? self-segregate. Saves so much time having to filter them out.

(Also it was kinda obvious they were twats when their admin team was spamming new community communities with endless stupid groups.)