Also @[email protected].
Downvote it to oblivion then, but disagreeing or not being interested is no reason to remove a post.
Edit: Saw the post. I think the removal was valid, but the ban was a little harsh. And not being interested had nothing to do with it.
It’s planned to be 100% API compatible with Lemmy, so you’d be able to use any Lemmy-UI with it. IDK why LW or any other instance would change their default UI.
A lot of things are not final and may change, but let’s just start with their stated goals, instead of speculating about all the things that could theoretically happen.
I don’t think there is anything to be concerned about.
Sublinks will live alongside Lemmy, just like kbin does today. Some Lemmy instances might switch to it under the hood at some point, but as a user you probably woudn’t even notice the change. All the data would be preserved, so your community would still be there unchanged.
It is basically Lemmy written in a different programming language, with more focus on moderation tools afaik. So for users it looks and works just like any other Lemmy instance does, and it’s part of the same Threadi-/Fediverse.
Theadiverse refers specifically to Fediverse sites that are organized like forums.
I think email is federated, but it’s not a social network in the usual sense of the word. You don’t have public feeds and profiles and such. Mailing lists are probably the closest thing, but you still have to subscribe to those to receive messages.
I think they would welcome Reddit users with open arms. As I said back then, the problem was not the content of the posts, but the fact that bots were posting them. The fact is that we perceive communication differently depending on the sender and the context, even if it’s the same message content, basically 1st semester communication science in a nutshell. You just can’t reduce communication to a simple exchange of ascii characters and make assumptions based purely on that.
Yeah I really quite enjoyed this discussion! I know I can sound a bit mean sometimes, but I truly hope your plans to promote the Fediverse work out!
adapting to a new scenario
I still think it’s a bit arrogant of you to assume you have the right to tell people how they are supposed to use Lemmy. Imo the bots started being harmful/annoying, but you stopped it at that point, idk how it would have evolved if you didn’t. And ofc being blocked by LW didn’t really make things better.
I honestly see it as a moral imperative
I actually think you’re completely right, but people act according to their own opinions and not necesarrily moral standards or logical reasoning. It won’t make a difference whether you’re morally correct or not if they just don’t agree and you keep pushing.
This is not about taking the first step, this is about what direction to pick in the first place. You proposed one, I (and others) pointed out what might be problems with it. If you still think it’s the best course of action then by all means go forward with it. Just be mindful that you can also do harm if you overdo do it, like giving Lemmy a bad rep by trying too hard to convince people to switch. Or … you know … creating a million bots or something.
Not entire communities. One.
So? You still need to convince the people of that community that it’s a good idea, or do you think they will just follow a handful of mods blindly?
I don’t mind criticism, I do mind getting sidetracked with arguments and objections that are not related to the proposal.
Idk what you think critisism is, but imo it’s mainly arguments and objections about things you might not have thought about. It’s fine if you don’t agree with them, but maybe don’t ask for criticism and then lash out when it’s not what you wanted to hear.
It’s silly to dismiss a whole thesis based based on your concept of “typical” or “average” anything when the whole idea is to find and reach outliers in a large population.
I thought the whole idea is to make entire communities migrate to Lemmy, and obviously those that don’t yet have enough incentive to make the switch, no? You’ll need to convince the majority of users in those communities then, and that means just catering to some outliers won’t cut it.
Sorry for the personal callout, but are you always this negative?
I’m not negative, I just try to think about how it might play out based on my understanding of how things work. Should I tell you how great your idea is instead, even though I think it has some major shortcomings?
Can you please at least try to see how it could work instead of spreading misery everywhere?
I’m sorry, maybe you’re not used to this kind of critizism. I’m not saying it can’t work, I just bring up things that I think are problems, so you can take them into account and decide if you agree or not. As I said, I do think it’s worth trying.
Moderators are taken advantage of, but they also get a free platform to host their community, and they can always step down if they want to. Most apparently have no issue playing by Reddit’s rules, and therefore have no immediate need to switch to another platform.
I don’t think the typical Reddit user cares much about shorting Reddit stock to make some money, they just want to talk and be entertained.
Those are things YOU care about and would motivate you to move, not the Reddit users you are trying to convince.
The one thing you’re missing is a REASON for people to migrate to Lemmy. Network effect is a thing, and people won’t move against it unless they have a good reason. If decentralization is important to you then it’s easy to make the case for Lemmy and the Fediverse, but if not then these migration campaigns will just come off as annoying and like some kind of cult or fandom for an obscure alternative platform.
I mean think about it, from the perspective of an average Reddit user you are trying to lure away people from an established community to your own platform, breaking the existing community in two in the process. They will only support this if they think the trouble of going through a migration will be worth it, and the community has a good chance to completly reform on the new platform. They just won’t come unless you can convince them that that’s actually the case.
I also have my doubts with the approach of migrating one mid-sized community at a time. I get the idea that you want to build a lively community around a topic here, to make it worth people’s time to participate. But people are usually part of more than one community, and I think they’ll only migrate for good if MOST or at least a good portion of the communities they care about are well represented here. It’s a textbook chicken-and-egg problem. But it might end up being better than other approaches, so maybe it’s worth a try!
The reality is that we have the network effect and centralization efficiency stacked against us, and there is no magic plan that will make those go away. Imo the best things we can do are focusing on building and forstering our own communities here, thinking about how to create value that centralized and monetized platforms cannot easily replicate, and being on the lookout for opportunities like the Reddit protests to trigger migation waves.
Yes, that’s basically what those schemas are about. You can create different schemas for different kinds of posts and content structures, so something like Lemmy should be possible. The Fediverse has something similar as well, but the way you introduce new schemas is different between the two as far as I understand it. In the former you’ll have to adapt some features of the underlying ActivityPub protocol to your new usecase, or work with others towards extending the protocol. The later allows you to just declare and describe your new structure in a machine-readable way, and others can then choose to support it. So Bluesky is more flexible and open in that regard, but could also end up more fragmented.
ELI5:
In the Fediverse your account and identity is linked to a domain (e.g. you are @[email protected]), and you can’t move that account somewhere else. You can’t even change the domain of a server, because all the accounts on that server would be known by a different domain and be treated as separate new identifies. In Bluesky your identity is basically a random number, it’s shown in the URL of a profile page for example. You can link that to a domain temporarily and get a nice user handle, but you can always move to another domain later. That means you can migrate between servers and keep all your friends and followers, something that’s currently not possible in the Fediverse.
The thing about schemas is a technical detail, not really any consequences for users. Then there is a different format for user handles, so the Bluesky people don’t like the double @ signs for those.
The last thing is about how you don’t just pick one server/instance in Bluesky, instead you can pick different servers for different things. One server hosts your account, but a few others can fill and sort your news feed, block spam for you or let you search through content. It’s supposed to create an open ecosystem for these services, and allow you to keep your account on a server that offers none of these by itself, e.g. a small home server. Of course there is nothing like that in the Fediverse, you pick a service and a server, and that’s it.
I have to say Bluesky looks extremely interesting from a technical perspective, there’s just the fact that it’s completely dominated by the official server right now. People can create their own servers though, so we’ll have to see how it evolves.
I don’t think anything is yet, because thankfully interop and decentralization are core design principles of git itself. But it does become more centralized the more parts of the workflow we move to these platforms, like project planning, reviews and build processes. We are not at the point where you can’t reasonably use anything but GH, but that’s definitely M$'s goal, and we’re getting closer imo.
Being able to create issues and discuss merge requests on various source hosting sites without having to create an account on each would be a huge step forward! Especially since M$ has taken over Github and is well on its way to become the defacto centralized Git hoster.
What’s wrong with exceptions?
The url for you would simply be lemmy.world. Just login with your account from the app and start scrolling, no need to migrate anything.
Federation in principle is actually really simple. Basically there are multiple servers (aka instances) run by different people and with their own urls, and they just send each other messages to stay in sync. E g. if you post something on LW, that server also sends it to all the others (all it is federated with), so they can show it to their users too. If someone upvotes the post then their server sends that info to all the other servers as well, so everyone can update their vote counter for that post. That’s it, that’s the magic.
The result is that all instances have the same content, and users can message each other no matter what instance they are on. That means it doesn’t really matter which one you sign up on, and no content is lost if one of them goes down.
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I think the ban was a little too harsh, but removing that comment was the right decision.
I also see a few problems with your “your highness” comparison:
“Your highness” is an official title, not a personal designation. Its proper usage depends heavily on the context, e.g. the perceived social rank and status, how well people know each other, if it’s a formal or informal conversation, and so on. Pronouns have none of that, you just use the one people identify as and that’s it.
It implies that people just pick whatever term they can come up with to mess with others or to mock them. People don’t choose a pronoun lightly, they usually think about it a lot and it’s an important personal decision. They also usually pick one of the common pronouns, so it’s really not hard to just use it.
Making quick logical comparisons regarding social norms is a very tricky thing in my experience. There are many things going on that we aren’t fully aware of all of the time, and getting it wrong can hurt people badly.