I suspect retrofitting a whole new identity system to Fediverse will never happen because server admins, or instance admins, will come up with all kinds of reasons why they don’t like the idea of not knowing who their users are. Some of them would probably allow it, but I bet a whole bunch of them wouldn’t, and we’d get into this fragmentation where some servers won’t allow posts from those types of identity, etc. It seems to me much easier to take Nostr and just give it the functionality you get inside the Fediverse.

Agreed, but that is exactly how NOSTR identity works, and the reason I think NOSTR is such a great protocol.

You realize you’re describing Nostr right?

This is silly. The web is not in decline and Google is not at fault. Most of the web is garbage, and Google helps us find the information buried in a sea of ads and repetitively copied/reworded content. We are moving to a world where putting up a plagiarized page with tons of ads will not be profitable. The sooner that day arrives, the better.

How is nostr promoting crypto?

I agree. I also notice a constant push to ban anything that is deemed offensive, which in most cases is just a statement of opinion that someone did not like.

Nostr is ultimately the way forward and he knows it. Nobody controlling your identity other than yourself.

It’s not worth getting this upset about this stuff. That’s my 2 cents.

Agreed but it bugs me that I need to pay Reddit to not see ads and on top of that they get paid for the content we produce. The fediverse is a better model.

I don’t object to my content being used for training. I do object to Reddit profiting from that data. It’s the reason I basically don’t participate on Reddit anymore. Anything I post in the fediverse I am aware I am offering it up for free to be crawled and used as seen fit as long as it is not monetized without my consent. I don’t consider model training to be monetization.

When I see people criticize something they have clearly not used I get motivated to try it.

In don’t know or care about their intentions. If we want to claim we are an open protocol then mastodon needs to role with the puches. Otherwise you might as well be on threads.

Yeah, let’s defederate from a major player that wants to participate in the decentralized nature of this protocol. That way we further fragment Mastodon and guarantee its failure in the long run! Good call!!!

There is more to this than moderation. Look at how Reddit handled third party access and how they will monetize content for their benefit that you created. How do you bring your voice to that debate? Here you can, on Reddit you can’t. I think the answer needs to be that nobody can be silenced. Yes they can be taken out of communities but they cannot be silenced. That is especially true in the nostr model. If enough people are bothered by what happened they can recreate the community or move to a different instance. It will happen eventually. This stuff is all too new right now to have good examples.

Without activepub integration, I just see threads as another Twitter. I don’t think any of these walled gardens are very interesting, especially Twitter copies such as Mastodon or Threads. It’s just another platform for the few to get their message out to the many. It’s boring in almost all cases.

You depress too easily :-).

I’m at a loss as to why anybody wouldnwant this in the first place.

I think in a federated approach you’re always going to have disagreements among the parties that have federated. The beauty of a federated approach is that you have options. You can always just move your association to a different instance and in that way nobody ever controls the whole thing. I would also say that, for the most part, these disagreements are made out to be a much bigger deal than they really are.

The problem with mastodon is the same problem as twitter. Its just not a good social experience. I have said this before. Twitter/Mastodon are for individuals with a high follower count to get their message out. Its not for the other 99.99% that want to engage each other and discuss topics o interest.

I welcome META.  The whole point of having a federation is to allow others to join. It’s up to you as a user, or the host of your instance to decide if they connect to those servers, I would stay away from an instance that did not want to include them, or at least let me as a user connect to them