1. Meta/Facebook has a horrific track record on human rights:
- https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/ethiopia-facebook-algorithms-contributed-human-rights-abuses-against-tigrayans
- https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-sue-facebook-myanmar-genocide-us-uk-legal-action-social-media-violence
- https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587080/mark-zuckerberg-holocaust-denial-kara-swisher-interview
2. Meta/Facebook is trying to join the Fediverse. We need to defederate them.
3. If you're a server admin, please defederate Meta's domain "threads.net" (here's how on Mastodon https://fedi.tips/how-to-defederate-fediblock-a-server-on-mastodon/)
4. If you don't run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate "threads.net". Your admin is listed on your server website's About page.
Meta just announced that they are trying to integrate Threads with ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, etc.). We need to defederate them if we want to avoid them pushing their crap into fediverse.
If you’re a server admin, please defederate Meta’s domain “threads.net”
If you don’t run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate “threads.net”.
I think the issue here is users data will be on threads server which god knows how it will be used. To train AI? To target ads ? Nobody knows so better everyone block threads and keep internet safe as these companies have destroyed internet.
If I am on Mastodon, there is nothing that Threads can collect from me that they can not get already. My posts are public, Meta or anyone else doesn’t need permission to look at them.
The only risk is if I am sending direct messages to someone on Threads from Mastodon, then obviously Meta has a copy. ActivityPub is not E2E encrypted, you shouldn’t be using it for private communication at all, the threat model is the same between Threads and any other Mastodon server.
Alright, fair enough, but why would anyone allow meta even an inch of space into a ‘free’ platform? Have you seen the numerous ( and to be fair, much better articulated) comments on this very thread concerning “EEE”? Don’t you think it’s alarming how many people support Meta joining?
I’m thinking of it from a grand scale: Folks in this thread are essentially saying “awe, c’mon, it’s probably okay if Zuck’s mega-corp puts it’s foot in the door of a burgeoning federated forum community; what could go wrong?”
Hey- let’s talk in five years and see what happens- yeah?
I’m okay with Threads federating because there are a some people I know who won’t use Mastodon but will use Threads, and I would like to talk to them without downloading Threads. That’s probably true for most of the people supporting it, or they just think it should be up to individuals instead of the admin making unilateral decisions about who you’re allowed to talk with.
Threads joining would also introduce a far wider group of people to Fedi that isn’t just “nerds who like Linux and/or programming”, which is the bulk of people using Mastodon (and Lemmy, for that matter) right now. I’m not really concerned about EEE because there will always be a huge chunk of people using the FOSS platforms.
Alright, fair enough, but why would anyone allow meta even an inch of space into a ‘free’ platform?
It’s an open protocol, they can join if they want. That’s kinda the point of being an open protocol, anyone willing to implement it just can.
I imagine that if tomorrow Meta decides to run a free email service ala Hotmail or Gmail you’d be demanding that they will destroy email everywhere if they aren’t put on every black hole list immediately?
Anything that touches the internet can be scraped. Mastodon DMs aren’t encrypted, and public posts are obviously public. There’s nothing stopping someone from using the API or any web crawler to harvest data on mastodon users anyway.
Not arguing for/against threads, tbh I don’t even use mastodon much because I don’t really like the idea of microblogging to begin with
I think the issue here is users data will be on threads server which god knows how it will be used. To train AI? To target ads ? Nobody knows so better everyone block threads and keep internet safe as these companies have destroyed internet.
Public Mastodon posts are already indexed by search engines.
Indexing by search engines and what Meta harvests are astronomically different - I fail to see your point.
If I am on Mastodon, there is nothing that Threads can collect from me that they can not get already. My posts are public, Meta or anyone else doesn’t need permission to look at them.
The only risk is if I am sending direct messages to someone on Threads from Mastodon, then obviously Meta has a copy. ActivityPub is not E2E encrypted, you shouldn’t be using it for private communication at all, the threat model is the same between Threads and any other Mastodon server.
Alright, fair enough, but why would anyone allow meta even an inch of space into a ‘free’ platform? Have you seen the numerous ( and to be fair, much better articulated) comments on this very thread concerning “EEE”? Don’t you think it’s alarming how many people support Meta joining?
I’m thinking of it from a grand scale: Folks in this thread are essentially saying “awe, c’mon, it’s probably okay if Zuck’s mega-corp puts it’s foot in the door of a burgeoning federated forum community; what could go wrong?”
Hey- let’s talk in five years and see what happens- yeah?
I’m okay with Threads federating because there are a some people I know who won’t use Mastodon but will use Threads, and I would like to talk to them without downloading Threads. That’s probably true for most of the people supporting it, or they just think it should be up to individuals instead of the admin making unilateral decisions about who you’re allowed to talk with.
Threads joining would also introduce a far wider group of people to Fedi that isn’t just “nerds who like Linux and/or programming”, which is the bulk of people using Mastodon (and Lemmy, for that matter) right now. I’m not really concerned about EEE because there will always be a huge chunk of people using the FOSS platforms.
It’s an open protocol, they can join if they want. That’s kinda the point of being an open protocol, anyone willing to implement it just can.
I imagine that if tomorrow Meta decides to run a free email service ala Hotmail or Gmail you’d be demanding that they will destroy email everywhere if they aren’t put on every black hole list immediately?
Anything that touches the internet can be scraped. Mastodon DMs aren’t encrypted, and public posts are obviously public. There’s nothing stopping someone from using the API or any web crawler to harvest data on mastodon users anyway.
Not arguing for/against threads, tbh I don’t even use mastodon much because I don’t really like the idea of microblogging to begin with