I was just reading this post https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1gmv76n/is_reddit_going_to_remain_the_primary_space_for/ and many barely see the fediverse as an alternative and they seem to have a negative bias towards it. Super ironic when it comes to the self-hosting community. Yes, some instances are problematic, yes, some devs might have had problematic views. But it doesn’t really matter when it’s federated and FOSS. I think it’s clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit. Why is there such a negative bias?

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    My man, the head developer of lemmy is the admin of lemmygrad

    No, he is not. Check admins section on lemmygrad.ml, which profile do you think belongs to dessalines? He is only admin of lemmy.ml.

    He has a fucking Mao picture in his profile!

    It’s a controversial figure, but it doesn’t mean that the dev supports crimes or genocides.

    How should I put this without breaking any rules? …

    You judge people who support genocide, I get it and I here with you. But wishing death upon others because of their opinions? That’s just hypocrisy.

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      No, he is not. Check admins section on lemmygrad.ml, which profile do you think belongs to dessalines? He is only admin of lemmy.ml.

      Are you sure about that? Why does this page state that:

      Lemmygrad was created by dessalines and Farmer Heck.[a] It has over 34,000 posts and over 360 active users.[2]

      With a further clarification that Muad’Dibber (who is currently an admin) is dessalines

      Currently known as Muad’Dibber and Black Tulip, respectively, on Lemmygrad.’

      Is Muad’Dibber not dessalines?

      It’s a controversial figure, but it doesn’t mean that the dev supports crimes or genocides.

      Controversial figure? Mao was a brutal dictator that directly caused an inordinate amount of deaths and suffering. He is no better than Stalin, Pinochet, Hitler or Pol Pot.

      Since he runs lemmygrad, he most definitely supports the genocide of Ukrainians in the occupied territories. Before you start acting out, I’d like to see you and your family try and speak Ukrainian in the occupied and try and publicly oppose russian occupaiton. I think the example I provided with the “Donbas Cowboy”, Russell Bentley, should give you an idea of what life is like there.

      And then there is also their support for the genocide of Uighurs in Xinjiang.

      For you this is just random internet drama. I am not going to tolerate any degenerate LARPer shilling for russia and the CCP.

      You judge people who support genocide, I get it and I here with you. But wishing death upon others because of their opinions? That’s just hypocrisy.

      These are not mere opinions. These scoundrels wish me, my family and my fellow citizens harm in the most pathetic way possible; by LARPing online as marxist-leninists. It is reasonable to want them to end up like “Donbas Cowboy”, Russell Bentley. This a just and fair end for Western LARPers who whitewash genocide.

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        Why does this page state that:

        My bad, I didn’t know that! I assume it’s true then. Before the Reddit blackout, ML was a socialist-leaning instance (they edited the description of the instance), while Lemmygrad always were like this. It puzzles me why he might administrate both instances.

        Mao was a brutal dictator that directly caused an inordinate amount of deaths and suffering

        He made quite a lot of bad stuff, that’s true. However, he also liberated the country from foreign occupation and advanced literacy, women’s rights, basic healthcare, education, and life expectancy. China’s population nearly doubled under his leadership. This is why he is considered controversial. It’s strange to compare him with someone who occupied half of Europe.

        he most definitely supports the genocide of Ukrainians in the occupied territories

        These scoundrels wish me, my family and my fellow citizens harm

        You made conclusions about his opinions yourself and are trying to argue against them. Condemn actual statements. I don’t see dessalines wishing harm on you, but I do see you doing the very thing you criticize him for.

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          It puzzles me why he might administrate both instances.

          Come on now. Does it really puzzle you why he would admin lemmygrad? I am sorry, I don’t buy this.

          He made quite a lot of bad stuff, that’s true. However, he also liberated the country from foreign occupation and advanced literacy, women’s rights, basic healthcare, education, and life expectancy. China’s population nearly doubled under his leadership. This is why he is considered controversial. It’s strange to compare him with someone who occupied half of Europe.

          So you’re saying that there is something inherent to Chinese culture that would not make it possible to advance literacy, women’s right, basic healthcare without mass killings and brutality? Mao is a mass murderer.

          You made conclusions about his opinions yourself and are trying to argue against them. Condemn actual statements. I don’t see dessalines wishing harm on you, but I do see you doing the very thing you criticize him for.

          Dessalines admins a instance that openly supports russia’s (a country that’s not in any way socialist) genocidal invasion of my country. That’s not wishing me harm?

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            Does it really puzzle you why he would admin lemmygrad?

            I’m just saying that it’s a bit weird to administrate two instances related to socialism (they’re the two oldest instances), but maybe he has his reasons 🤷

            So you’re saying that there is something inherent to Chinese culture that would not make it possible to advance literacy, …

            That’s not what I said. I explained why he is considered controversial. He did many good stuff and that’s why some Marxists like it. Not because some of his policies were responsible for a vast number of deaths - that would be weird 😅

            Dessalines admins a instance that openly supports russia’s (a country that’s not in any way socialist) genocidal invasion of my country. That’s not wishing me harm?

            Sure, Russia isn’t socialist by any stretch of the imagination. From what I can see, Lemmygrad users oppose NATO and US expansion, I don’t think they want Ukrainian people to die.

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              He is an admin of lemmygrad. A cesspool of degenerate LARPers that support genocidal imperialism.

              Mao is a mass murderer and an authoritarian. If you support him, you are white washing his crimes. You do understand that good things can be achieved without mass killings and implementing an authoritarian, one party state? Difficult stuff, I know!

              No, they support the killing of Ukrainians and extermination of Ukrainian identity. They support interment of ten of thousands of Ukrainian civilians in russian torture camps. They support the destruction of the Ukraine as a nation and Ukrainian cultural identity.

              It is fair and just to want such vile individuals to get a taste of their own medicine.

              The NATO expansion stuff is a ruse. NATO expansion is determined by national self-determination; especially when your neighbour is a country where a strong majority of the population are genocidal imperialist.

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                You do understand that good things can be achieved without mass killings

                I never implied that deaths were necessary.

                No, they support the killing of Ukrainians

                That’s a bold claim. Condemn actual people’s statements. You’re making a strawman to justify your hate.

                NATO expansion is determined by national self-determination

                That’s the weirdest explanation I’ve ever heard 😅 You’re also using the word “genocide” wrong. Genocide is a purposeful attempt to destroy any human group. In the case of Russia, that’s just imperialism - they simply don’t care about Ukrainians (sadly). Otherwise, any war could be called genocidal.

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                  Then why are you white-washing Mao’s atrocities? Surely, if you think the death and absurd brutality (cultural revolution?) is not good thing, you would support movements and leaders who don’t engage in such conducts.

                  Come on now. Don’t play dumb.

                  They openly support and cheer for the Russian invasion? Why would I not hate them for this?

                  Show me an example of them condemning russian atrocities. Just one. I shouldn’t hate people who white-wash russian crimes and claim they never happened?

                  Show me an example of them recognizing Ukrainian self-determination? One shouldn’t hate people who want you to be a colony of the shithole that is russia?

                  Where is the strawman?

                  One would have to be a genocidal imperialist to state that a country should not have the right to aspire to join NATO (especially if you border russia).

                  Try speaking Ukrainian in the occupied territories or opening a Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

                  No, you just want to white wash russian crimes and the degenerates at Lemmygrad.

                  For example, when the US invaded Iraq, did they do the following:

                  • Annex Basra and make it a new state
                  • Ban Arabic in Basra and send anyone who is using it to a torture camp
                  • Steal local children to continental US and force them to recite American national polemics
                  • Ban Iraqi citizens from using any public services in the newly annexed Basra and force them to get US citizenship.
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                    Then why are you white-washing Mao’s atrocities?

                    I never did 🤷. White-washing is when you try to justify or make something bad look good. I’m simply saying that he did both good and bad things, and some people admire him for the good parts. So, if someone likes Mao, it doesn’t necessarily mean they support the deaths he caused.

                    Where is the strawman?

                    I assert that people on Lemmygrad oppose NATO expansion and believe that the US is the greater evil. You claim that they wish harm upon Ukrainians. However, opposing US imperialism does not mean they want the Ukrainian people to suffer.

                    For example, looking at the upvotes on this comment from Lemmygrad’s world news, it’s clear that they feel sympathy for Ukraine. There are individuals, like this commenter, who suggest bombing Ukraine, but the comment is downvoted.

                    This is why I wouldn’t say that people on Lemmygrad want your nation to suffer. I don’t necessarily agree with their opinions, but they certainly don’t deserve death.