I bet it’s Cloudflare
I bet it’s Cloudflare
OK, been looking at this thread and one thing jumps at me: are we reinventing commercial social media algorithms from first principles here?
Correct, it’s worse, you can very much argue that Google had good faith intentions, you cannot even pretend that Facebook does while keeping a straight face
I wasn’t talking about our users, i was talking about theirs, a direct mirror of what the author described with XMPP
Fuck, that’s how it’s gonna go, and i hate it
At this point it wouldn’t matter, all they need to do is to mess with the protocol and it’d achieve the same thing, Meta and everything in it’s sphere would “work well”, but connecting with true ActivityPub servers would work just glitchy enough to annoy their users and point the fingers towards our side, just like it happened with XMPP
This is not just people going “Meta bad! Blocked!” as you seem to be arguing, this is the only possible reaction if we want to keep what has been build alive and not be razed to the ground, many of us saw this with our own eyes, me included, either we stop Meta at the door or the Fediverse is going to die, they have zero intentions or incentive to play the good guests here.
We old-timers are not warning because “it might happen”, we’re doing it because it has already happened multiple times before
The core of the strategy was delineated by Microsoft when they tried to kill Linux and failed because the strategy was discovered, it’s known as Embrace, Extend, Extinguish . And it only failed because of active pushback for years by Linux users.
Have you tried to run your own email server these days? Many have tried for a long time, and end up throwing the towel, because email is now dominated by a few corporations who can decide to reject your small server at a whim, as a sysadmin i’ve seen this a lot. And email too is an open federated standard, supposedly resistant to failures.
Or XMPP, which was to be the future of chat clients. It was enthusiastically embraced by everyone including Google and Facebook, then once everybody was dependent on their clients they quietly killed support from it.
Let’s envision a future where Meta has the biggest share of the Fediverse, the most convenient clients, the most features, like they used to be. That’s when enshittification step 2 starts, and they start slowly cutting off anything not under their direct control. Just like they did with XMPP, just like it was done with email. And like WhatsApp and various other things, you don’t want to stop using it because you now rely on it for your communication, and when you try to tell people to follow you to the free part they look at you like you’re an alien. They won.
This is not flights of fancy, this all has happened before. Yeah, Charlie Brown, Lucy is not going to take away the ball this time. And we continue to warn it because it’s bonkers to us that you cannot see it.
Apparently he has a history of behavior that led to mastodon.art defederating from Universeodon, seems to be a true techbro (P92 is the Meta thing, he seems to have dollar signs in his eyes at the mention of it)
9 years, not too bad for a Google project, most don’t last that long
This was a temporary emergency measure, they’re already talking to the admins of those instances to discuss when to federate again, had Lemmy had stronger federation and moderation tools already they would had done that already, Lemmy is still pretty new after all
I have 17 years of posts and comments and have been active, i don’t have much trust in those kinds of tools specially given that the API has hard limits to what it can reach, still will check
Edit: Welp, from starters we have issues, it requires the absolute latest Python version, as a sysadmin i hate when things demand the latest and greatest just to be installed, i’m in a version still with full support…
Oh well, we’ll see…
Blows my mind that a good chunk of this just didn’t exist a month or two ago
I have been eyeing Matrix from afar for a looooong time, i need to reconsider it once I’m fully settled on Fedi, guides to replicate what you did are easily available?
Self-hostable but not federated. Still in construction though, specially doesn’t have all the voice capabilities of Discord yet, but looks quite decent so far
Users are NOT happy
You’re absolutely right, true, but that will work for you and me, but not for your typical user, even the more advanced ones will be stumped at that point
Because money