1. Meta/Facebook has a horrific track record on human rights:
- https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/ethiopia-facebook-algorithms-contributed-human-rights-abuses-against-tigrayans
- https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-sue-facebook-myanmar-genocide-us-uk-legal-action-social-media-violence
- https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587080/mark-zuckerberg-holocaust-denial-kara-swisher-interview
2. Meta/Facebook is trying to join the Fediverse. We need to defederate them.
3. If you're a server admin, please defederate Meta's domain "threads.net" (here's how on Mastodon https://fedi.tips/how-to-defederate-fediblock-a-server-on-mastodon/)
4. If you don't run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate "threads.net". Your admin is listed on your server website's About page.
Meta just announced that they are trying to integrate Threads with ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, etc.). We need to defederate them if we want to avoid them pushing their crap into fediverse.
If you’re a server admin, please defederate Meta’s domain “threads.net”
If you don’t run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate “threads.net”.
Your complete unresponsiveness to anything I’ve said leads me to ask a very simple and basic question: are you actually curious to understand my answer to your question?
See what you did there? You didn’t admit to being curious to understand what I’m saying. You dictated what you think I’m saying, then reframed your answer around that.
In effect, you appear to not be curious to understand me because you believe you already do.
If you actually were curious to understand, then the reply, “I don’t get to decide for all of you what content you can see here” would be deeply alarming. It might cause you to stop and take stock, and wonder why I don’t agree with your characterisation of what I have said.
Let me know if you actually want to hear what I have to say without putting a box around what you’re prepared to hear.
I honestly would love to understand where you’re coming from, but until I understand why you’re so convinced I’m saying something I’m not, I don’t see how I’ll be able to.
Ah, so there it is: “neither of us has to pretend to give a fuck what the other thinks”
You’ve said it. You’ve shown it in your behaviour and now you’ve said it. FWIW, I upvoted your honesty.
You have of course projected that attitude on to me, I imagine in order to assuage the creeping feeling that if you admit outright, with your whole chest, “I personally don’t give a fuck what you think” you would expose yourself as irretrievably disingenuous. It’s inescapable however. I have said that I am curious to understand what you have to say, and you threw that back in my face by telling me I wasn’t. You are only responsible for your own curiosity, and you have said that you have none.
I’m sorry, I don’t respect this method of engaging. It’s a coward’s way out, and it’s why you are deeply unconvincing. When you just beat your head against the other person’s comments and insist that they are wrong with no curiosity to understand their words, it leads to situations where you’re asking, “MFer how you expect me to find any if you keep going around begging them to wholesale block access,” when the answer to that question is in the comment you’re replying to. If you never engage, if you never open your mind to other people’s ideas, you can’t respond to them in a coherent way.
Ironically, this entire thread is you claiming you want to hear a diverse range of ideas from Threads, which again, nobody is stopping you from doing. We’re just saying we don’t want to host them. That’s a different thing.
What I don’t understand is why you don’t support us using our voices to support defederation. Sounds like you’re trying to silence us. That makes sense of course, since you’ve just said you don’t care what we have to say. It’s the WHY that I don’t understand, but I’ve never had an answer to this question.
What I don’t understand is why you don’t support us using our voices to support defederation.
Because you should let us adults decide for ourselves personally what content we want to see here, not attempt to block and censor stuff JUST BECAUSE TOU DON’T LIKE IT.
Let people choose for themselves, that’s all I’ve ever been advocating for here, user choice.
If the people overwhelmingly want it defederated from their preferred servers, then do it.
I don’t ultimately care if servers decide to block it, as long as it’s done properly.
People here deserve to have that choice, that was always the point of decentralization.
Your complete unresponsiveness to anything I’ve said leads me to ask a very simple and basic question: are you actually curious to understand my answer to your question?
Yeah bro I’m super curious why you get to decide for all of us what content we can see here. Please answer that I guess?
See what you did there? You didn’t admit to being curious to understand what I’m saying. You dictated what you think I’m saying, then reframed your answer around that.
In effect, you appear to not be curious to understand me because you believe you already do.
If you actually were curious to understand, then the reply, “I don’t get to decide for all of you what content you can see here” would be deeply alarming. It might cause you to stop and take stock, and wonder why I don’t agree with your characterisation of what I have said.
Let me know if you actually want to hear what I have to say without putting a box around what you’re prepared to hear.
I honestly would love to understand where you’re coming from, but until I understand why you’re so convinced I’m saying something I’m not, I don’t see how I’ll be able to.
Or you could just not ask your admin to block Threads for everyone else if you personally don’t want to see it.
Seems pretty straightforward which option leaves users the choice to decide for themselves what they want to see.
That way neither of us has to pretend to give a fuck what the other thinks. Hooray!
Ah, so there it is: “neither of us has to pretend to give a fuck what the other thinks”
You’ve said it. You’ve shown it in your behaviour and now you’ve said it. FWIW, I upvoted your honesty.
You have of course projected that attitude on to me, I imagine in order to assuage the creeping feeling that if you admit outright, with your whole chest, “I personally don’t give a fuck what you think” you would expose yourself as irretrievably disingenuous. It’s inescapable however. I have said that I am curious to understand what you have to say, and you threw that back in my face by telling me I wasn’t. You are only responsible for your own curiosity, and you have said that you have none.
I’m sorry, I don’t respect this method of engaging. It’s a coward’s way out, and it’s why you are deeply unconvincing. When you just beat your head against the other person’s comments and insist that they are wrong with no curiosity to understand their words, it leads to situations where you’re asking, “MFer how you expect me to find any if you keep going around begging them to wholesale block access,” when the answer to that question is in the comment you’re replying to. If you never engage, if you never open your mind to other people’s ideas, you can’t respond to them in a coherent way.
Ironically, this entire thread is you claiming you want to hear a diverse range of ideas from Threads, which again, nobody is stopping you from doing. We’re just saying we don’t want to host them. That’s a different thing.
What I don’t understand is why you don’t support us using our voices to support defederation. Sounds like you’re trying to silence us. That makes sense of course, since you’ve just said you don’t care what we have to say. It’s the WHY that I don’t understand, but I’ve never had an answer to this question.
Because you should let us adults decide for ourselves personally what content we want to see here, not attempt to block and censor stuff JUST BECAUSE TOU DON’T LIKE IT.
Let people choose for themselves, that’s all I’ve ever been advocating for here, user choice.
If the people overwhelmingly want it defederated from their preferred servers, then do it.
I don’t ultimately care if servers decide to block it, as long as it’s done properly.
People here deserve to have that choice, that was always the point of decentralization.
And it is our choice to say we want to defederate. That is literally all this is.
I would ask why you can’t understand this, but you’ve already said you don’t care to, so that’s clearly the reason.