• key@lemmy.keychat.orgEnglish
    10·
    11 months ago

    Makes me kinda wish that when defederating you could select a one word label for why. Like a fixed list with several options like pedo, spam, harassment, abandoned, etc and a default of other. Make it a bit easier with a big list like this to say, oh 1000 of these 1400 all selected “racism” when defederating so it’s probably very racist and I should also defederate. But if it’s a lot of “other” or inconsistent reasons maybe I should spend a bit of time digging.

        • ijeff@lemdro.idEnglish
          2·
          11 months ago

          Agreed! I’m really appreciative of folks putting this kind of work into Lemmy.

      • drathvedro@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        11 months ago

        What’s up with all the pedo instances? Why are they creating instances in an open web? Are they dumb or something? It sounds to me that just registering the domain names of some of those could be considered a crime, nevermind openly inviting and hosting CSAM.

          • drathvedro@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            I am not a lawyer, but I imagine there’s no way I could register, or get away with if I do register something like “molester daycare” or “pedo toothbrush for kids”… Oh wait, apparently the last one is actually a thing. Well then I guess it’s not, but man that’s an unfortunate brand name

        • that guy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          Honeypots and also to discourage people from engaging to corral people into big tech where surveillance is #1

        • magnetosphere@kbin.social
          2·
          11 months ago

          Here’s the beginning of the Wikipedia article:

          Kiwi Farms, formerly known as CWCki Forums, is a web forum that facilitates the discussion and harassment of online figures and communities. Their targets are often subject to organized group trolling and stalking, as well as doxxing and real-life harassment.

          So, it’s an assholefarm.

          Although the name originated with one particular site, it looks like the name now applies to any site that serves a similar purpose. Bleah.

          • Comrade Spood@lemmyunchained.netEnglish
            2·
            11 months ago

            A small instance where members vote on decisions regarding the instance. Haven’t really had to vote on anything though cause it’s so small and not a lot to vote on. But it’s nice it’s there for if we do need it.

        • Fraylor@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          “Minor attracted person” the whitewashed version of the word pedophile.

  • lemmyingly@lemm.eeEnglish
    9·
    11 months ago

    Where/how is this obtained?

    I’m curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.

    • Dramatic Shitposter@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      8·
      11 months ago

      Where/how is this obtained?

      I’m curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.

      fba.ryona.agency

      Be aware that it doesn’t track when lemmy instances defederate from other fediverse instances correctly and hasn’t for months, and that it’s run someone from one of those 50 defederated instances.

    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafeEnglish
      5·
      11 months ago

      Sees a bunch of “freeze speech” including “freespeechextremist”- lol the classic

      Sees “freecumextremist”- oh no, the classic!

  • AngryMob@lemmy.oneEnglish
    4·
    11 months ago

    This should include a user count in each so we can see just how many pedos and nazis are being punted to their own little disgusting bubbles

    • Sanyanov@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      11 months ago

      A little correction: while some of pedo instances are full of potential child abusers, others are based on non-offending (i.e. stop fucking children ffs) principles.

      The latter are actually extremely important since they provide a gateway for otherwise potentially dangeous individuals to gain support and find professional help. Trying to instead blindly seed hatred towards people with any immutable traits is never productive, be it any mental disorder, sexuality, or otherwise, same as race and gender. In this case, it only prevents pedophiles from seeking help, making them more likely to become the child predator type and actually pose danger to kids.

      Being a pedophile is not a choice. Being a Nazi or a child abuser are, and those should fuck themselves (but also reconsider what they do and what they believe in).

      • El Barto@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        11 months ago

        I’ll play the devil’s advocate here. Not supporting or opposing your point of view. Just to add to the discussion. Let’s use another extreme: People with a killing spree sexual attraction. I know, I know, it may be not the same, and it’s something that doesn’t exist (God I hope!) But for the sake of the argument, let’s assume it does.

        You have this forum of people posting memes about mass killings and frustrations about not being able to kill, but that you would totally never ever kill anyone, even though the urge is there.

        What would you think of such community? Would it be a safe one?

        (Dear CIA, NSA, FBI agents, the above is just a completely hypothetical scenario. I am a law-abiding citizen. Always have, always will.)

        • Sanyanov@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          I’d argue it’s way better to give them a platform to vent, so instead of going to the street and killing everyone they post memes and share therapists.

          Would I be grossed out? Hell yeah, just like with pedophilia. Would I still think it’s a good thing? Absolutely.

          It’s easy to go with your gut feeling and think you’re righteous to follow it. It’s always harder to think it through and do and support what’s actually right.

        • FlickOfTheBean@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          …there is a joke here that I could make about incel forums. I’m not going to try to because it’s in poor taste, but my point is that I’m pretty sure that does exist…

          Also, what’s your actual position if that’s your devil’s advocate position? I’m a bit unsure if the implication there is intentional or not

          • El Barto@lemmy.worldEnglish
            0·
            11 months ago

            Well, I don’t really have a position. I think pedophilia is heinous, but I understand that sexual attraction is not a choice. Would an internet forum be a good and healthy supporting tool for pedophiles making an effort to do the right thing? That’s the question I’m trying to answer.

      • AngryMob@lemmy.oneEnglish
        0·
        11 months ago

        Being a pedo may not be a choice, but acting on it definitely is. And any pedo who has to go searching for pedo friendly communities is not looking for help, theyre looking to get off.

        Its not a big secret to them that they have something wrong to live with. They dont need a support community to tell them how not to fuck kids. It shouldnt take that much self control for them to not fuck kids…

        I’d even bet the vast majority of them already do just fine living normal lives. Just like the vast majority of “normal” adults dont go around raping each other just because they feel sexually aroused by someone.

        • Sanyanov@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          How do you jump from “searching for pedo friendly communities” to “looking to get off”?

          Imagine being a gay in a country where you’ll be in real danger if you’ll ever mention it. Would you like to have someone at least online to talk about how you feel? Probably yes. Same idea. It’s hard to hold up things that big throughout life, as just about any closeted LGBT+ person will tell you.

          And then with any attraction that is actually dangerous and also illegal when acted on, like, well, pedophilia, or zoophilia, or biastophilia, or God knows what, there will always be people in doubt on whether they should go for it or not. And a community of people with the same issue telling them “we know how you feel, but CERTAINLY NO” would be way more productive than randoms on the Internet shaming them and putting them into the same bin as actual rapists.

          Of course, most of them will probably never offend regardless. But people in doubt, as well as people in mental distress, are to always keep in mind. And if you ignore them, you get more child abuse, more suicides, and more pain and suffering in the world.

          • AngryMob@lemmy.oneEnglish
            0·
            11 months ago

            Maybe im wrong and they need support. Maybe im not. I certainly am in no position to say one way or another with authority. But i’d rather be wrong about keeping them shamed than be wrong about letting them feel positive about their issue.

            Either way, i respectfully am done discussing the topic for now. I will give your opinions some thought though.

  • pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    3·
    11 months ago

    Not aware of any of these, which is nice, but iddqd caught my eye since that’s a Doom reference! Overall I always thought the Doom community was pretty positive (at least going by Doomworld forums, and various Doom streamers, as I remember them). I thought surely it must be some misunderstanding! Oh maybe they didn’t reply quickly enough to take down some drive-by hate speech, but that was it.

    Anyway, holy shit, do not go to that lemmy instance. It’s rotten to the core. I’m going to go take a shower and play through Episode 1 to cleanse myself now.

    • neutron@thelemmy.clubEnglish
      4·
      11 months ago

      iddqd was a well known cheat code from the era, not exactly obscure if not contemporary.

    • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      2·
      11 months ago

      The Doom fandom will always have the dark shadow of the Columbine High School deaths in its history. So shitty people using Doom to be shitty people isn’t that far from the mark. Nothing will ever change that, sorry.

    • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      11 months ago

      It’s pretty standard 4chan-NEET fare, for anyone who is wondering. Racism, homophobia, xenophobia, trad wives, and quasi-pro-nazi shit.

      Not worth your time to check out. Small community of sad nerds.

      • Serinus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        4chan wasn’t like that before 2015. Well, except for the racism part. It was leftish/libertarian.

        It’s also the easiest “social media” platform to game. You don’t have to make up a history for each user. You don’t have to get upvoted. You don’t even really need to make sense.

        • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          Hell way back in the day, 4chan was one of my go-to websites, before the joking and trolling on /b/ really wasn’t joking and trolling any more.

            • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              11 months ago

              Right. The really early oughts, when trolling was still a real thing, were so radically different that it’s hard to explain to people these days

  • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
    3·
    11 months ago

    seal.cafe, cawfee.club and sleepy.cafe sure got welcoming names. Given the number of defederations, I doubt the contents are anything like the names.

    • viking@infosec.pubEnglish
      4·
      11 months ago

      Most of them were automatically defederated for not having adequate protection against bot signups, that got nothing to do with sketchy content.

      • Mango@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        11 months ago

        As someone interested in both sides of security game theory, what exactly helps stop bots? I grew up playing RuneScape and hating bots before making r/Artisanvideos and hating them even more. I’ve always wondered if it’s a matter of automatically detecting precise repetitive patterns or just specific giveaway signs.

      • hansl@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        If the bots are welcomed and they don’t have good enough moderation, this is just sketchy content with extra steps.

  • Pohl@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    11 months ago

    This is a real rogues gallery of internet. And… a soccer team from Detroit. What the fuck did those guys do?

    • 520@kbin.social
      1·
      11 months ago

      The internet. It’s a fucked up place. Nothing like what the big players on the internet would have you believe.

      So long as there exists a way for people to not get prosecuted, these things will exist.

      • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        Realistically, the more accessible the internet becomes the more it reflects the behavior of humanity at large.

        These things exist because they’re part of us. The internet probably makes them more visible, but I doubt it makes them more extant.

    • MacN'Cheezus@lemmy.todayEnglish
      2·
      11 months ago

      I think it’s an NSFW instance of questionable legality (i.e. underage material that’s prohibited in most countries except Japan).

      • spacesatan@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        11 months ago

        I thought drawn child pornography was legal in more places but apparently its only about 8 counties. Bafflingly this isn’t one of the things the EU has a united front on. Funnily there are a lot more countries that ban all pornography than there are countries that allow some porn but not fictional child porn.

    • Gianmarco Gargiulo@feddit.itEnglish
      1·
      11 months ago

      Defederated means that the server has been forbidden from connecting and communicating with specific other servers that have decided to defederate with it, so users from the server can’t see or interact with users and posts on the server that defederated it and vice versa. Hopefully I was clear and coincise.

    • Akagigahara@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      11 months ago

      Federated means that any instance that is federated with them receives their content and can bee seen on that instance.

      Defederated means they are not federated anymore, thus blocking both users and content.

      It’s usually done to combat content you don’t want on your instance

      • bouldering_barista@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        Ok ok… So me using Lemmy.world is a specific instance of Lemmy, so it’s almost like its own server? And other instances (maybe lemmy.unitiedstates?) is its own federated instance likely related to just U.S. posts and it can communicate with other instances? Do de-federated instances have no other communication with instances?

        Apologies if these are silly, I feel like a dum dum because everyone else seems to grasp this except me.

    • WhatThaFudge@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      1·
      11 months ago

      So you need to look at the number of de federations. That is basically how many other instances have blocked them and do not receive content from them to their feed. You can still go to all these instances using their respective urls and see what they are like. The reasons for blocking them vary depending on the instance. Edit: They can still be federated with other instances that don’t block them creating their own little fediverse bubbles.