Hi! In thinking about how to help the fediverse grow, I wonder if there are more mainstream Lemmy instances?
I’ve pointed a couple folks to Lemmy.world and it’s uhhh, pretty hard Left for them (as one girl, who volunteered for the Democrats said “I just got yelled at because I can’t be Left wing unless I want to destroy capitalism? Which feels weird.”) We’re much farther Left than reddit which itself was definitely Left of centre…
I don’t know if decentralized open source social media actually attracts many mainstreamers but assuming we want to grow the fediverse, I’d like to have somewhere I can point people to without feeling very nervous for them.
Thanks!
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The instance you’re on only matters in so far as which other instances they’ve defederated.
You can probably find more centerist instances, but it doesn’t really matter because your friend is probably just going to be in the same communities anyways.I’m not really sure I’d call reddit left of center, though.
Please join a small instance. Lemmy doesn’t work if people don’t spread out. Just choose some small instance that seems chill. You can search and sub to any community. It really makes no difference.
Unless you’re willing to go with a very closed off instance you’re still going to be interacting with the broader fediverse which is very left.
I don’t think that’s really going to change unless there is another big migration and I don’t necessarily want it to. But I would like if Lemmings would be kinder to one another and realize that not having read 800 pages of leftist theory doesn’t mean you’re an evil imperialist. Everyone is on their own journey to understanding the world and I think a lot of people here are so judgmental that they would be fighting with their own past and future selves if they could meet them. It’s OK to disagree sometimes. Yes, even when people hold harmful views. We all do to some extent.
All I will point out is that the overton window in the US has shifted to the point where a double Sieg Heil at your president’s inauguration is within normal discourse .
Anyway, lemmy can be pretty “normie” for you so long as you stay out of political discussions. But if you want to actually discuss politics within the US overton window, lemmy is going to be very hostile. However if you come with an attitude to learn instead of debating/arguing, then I suspect most people wouldn’t flame you. But if one starts doing genocide denial for Israel etc, then they’re going to have a bad time.
shifted to the point where a double Sieg Heil at your president’s inauguration is within normal discourse
Haha thank you. I’m not even American but to me it’s pretty shocking to find out that this place, world of all instances, is too ‘extreme’ for people. Maybe I really am a dirty radical but I think that if people who consider themselves democrats are still fucking clutching their pearls about the left wing being too left wing while Elon Musk does open nazi salutes and trans people get their rights and dignity stripped away, then it’s no wonder the USA is so fucked.
You guys clearly need a new political party because your choices are overt right wingers, or spineless right wingers that like to pretend they represent the left.
Edit: maybe the bad men will see the light if we all hold hands and sing kumbaya. I’m sure that all of the people who are already finding themselves victims to this will thank you for taking the high road and not scaring too many centrists.
Db0 is the best instance with the least friction from mods and admins.
My instance doesn’t really take a political stance, you’re welcome unless you’re an extremist (left or right, doesn’t really matter to me).
Edit: But I think you’re not gonna get better content anywhere that’s federated, after all, your instance doesn’t matter that much if you’re seeing the same content everywhere.
Yeah, I’m not sure what the solution is or if there even is one. To paraphrase Randal in Clerks “lemmy would be great if it weren’t for all the lemmings.”
(I think a lot of folks are great but that small, albeit very vocal group… Ugh.)
Although I’d agree that lemmygrad, lemmy.ml, and hexbear are far-left, with only one specifically right-wing instance that I can think of, I don’t think that most of the remaining Lemmy users on lemmy.world, lemmy.dbzer0.com, lemm.ee, beehaw.org, or any of the other big Lemmy instances are particularly extreme in their views.
On average, Lemmy users do seem to be more left-wing than right-wing, probably due to right-wing Redditors being less likely to mind Reddit’s monetization of its userbase, and more likely to mind Lemmy’s far-left instances.
While I don’t think Lemmy should encourage far-right users to join, given that racism and bigotry degrade any platform that allows such speech, I do think that those on the right who are not extreme and are capable of having thoughts independent of the MAGA cult should be welcomed on any instance, given that echo chambers only serve to propagate existing views, rather than foster discussion.
The key part in joining any instance are the instances that either block it or are blocked by it, so perhaps one that blocks lemmygrad, lemmy.ml, and hexbear by default, while minimizing the number of instances that in turn block it, would be optimal to have access to as many communities as possible.
Here’s a list of Lemmy instances by number of instances blocked and blocking, for reference. Seems to not be quite up-to-date, and can’t find the instance I’m on on the list, but it should still be somewhat helpful for comparing. Personally, I prefer being on an instance with as few blocks as possible (implementing those blocks instead on a user level as a means of curating my all feed), since the Lemmy community is already small enough as it is, but new users might not want to have to configure those blocks themselves.
I appreciate the well thought response. I habe quibbles but overall agree with you.
You’re going to get yelled at by lefties on any instance. That’s how federation works.
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I guess… Well, I have trouble seeing the fediverse expand that far then. Which is fine but there have been a lot of pleas to make this a viable alternative to corpo social media.
The key is finding the communities you like and blocking the others, and users, that you dont.
There’s an up-front time-cost but it’s easy to adjust and makes for a great experience.
I don’t think it helps that politics absolutely dominates Lemmy, where Reddit has enough diverse subreddits that you could probably just avoid politics all together.
It’s much harder to get away from it here. But hopefully, as Lemmy grows then we start to see more and more users in the non political communities and people can have a laugh without people jumping down their throats. People just need to stick to it and give it a good go and help build something great.
I don’t think it helps that politics absolutely dominates Lemmy, where Reddit has enough diverse subreddits that you could probably just avoid politics all together.
I think that’s the problem with all “alternative” social media… both ones that I like and stand behind like lemmy… and the opposite end, the Parlors, MeWe’s, Truth Social etc…
The point is… mainstream people talking about shows, video games etc… rarely hit any kind of limitations in the public spaces. I myself still go on reddit to see communities of specific shows, games etc… and… it’s fine for that. If I were to try and make the suggestion for a show or movie subreddit to move to lemmy, it would be a tough case.
The ones who see the flaws and limits of the corporate platform… are the ones either teetering at the edge of socially acceptable, or over it.
Whether that’s say us lefties that believe All Cops are Bastards, or right wing guys that think america was better in Jim Crow era. Bottom line is… people looking for alternatives, are doing so because the existing platforms are likely to censor them… which means the alternatives will be disproportionately more extreme.
Speak for yourself.
There were a lot of people that looked for a Reddit alternative not because of particularly strong feelings politically or towards corporations in general but instead because Reddit broke their main method of interacting with Reddit (third party mobile apps) while simultaneously completely breaking the moderator tools to quell the shitstorm and maintain quality discussion.
I left Reddit because I saw it going further to shit faster than it ever had before, and they communicated loud and clear that they didn’t want users like me that cared about having control and options over how we interacted with the site.
None of my accounts there ever had a single comment removed by a mod, although I had been preemptively banned from multiple subs due to posting in others.
Well yeah I wasn’t saying all of them are. I was saying a disproportionate amount of them. IE say anti-capitalist views that are 1 in 1000 on facebook, are 1 in 50 on reddit, and 2 of 5 on lemmy.
It’s a circling the drain problem. Even though Lemmy is (slowly) expanding.
Lemmy doesn’t have the raw numbers userbase to just have anyone come in, and find a niche topic with an active community.
But because any average user can’t come in and just find their niche community, they don’t stay.
Meanwhile politics HAS active communities. So politics grow. And thats where Lemmy is growing.
But I can’t find a community for “How I met your mother”. A tv show that concluded like 10 years ago. But the show takes place in the future, recounting stories from “the past”. Which means, in real life, Tracy, the mother who Ted is talking about, died in 2024. The story is being told in 2036. But the show aired in real time during “the past”. Which means if Ted is talking about April 2008, that episode aired in April 2008. But the whole
98 seasons (real fans don’t count the 9th season that never happened) is being told in one afternoon in 2036. Which means we could be talking about the last ciggerrette of each character as they happen in real time. I think the next one is in 2028.Instead…we talk about trump here…and seemingly nothing else. Ever.
I’d like [email protected] and /c/Cleveland to grow so we can talk about eyebrows and how great Jose Rameriez is.
An idea would be to allow “plug-in able” content sorting algorithms or content filters.
I hear so many stories of people slapping tons of filters in their clients (block all comments from ml users, block “Elon” and/or “Trump” keywords)… I think tons of people are running almost identical filters. Why not bake right into the Lemmy core the ability to pull filter sets from say, a public got repo?
Same with sorting. I’d love to have a “hot” algorithms that “punishes” posts based on comment sentiment analysis. Again, let me choose my sorting algorithm from a git repo. Let some person or persons develop a “good vibes” algorithm which keeps toxity off the top of my feed.
IMO, this is the way. Sorting by engagement has obvious issues. Introducing other weights to augment a system would make a huge difference in user experience.
You can’t change the people. Look at this comment section. OP said they don’t want to be yelled at and everyone took that cue to give a lecture. Completely no self awareness. Can’t change that.
But you can improve the algorithm. And IMO if you could crowdsource that dev in a way that doesn’t impose on mainline development.
Yeah, I like all these ideas. I wondered about some sort of pooled “ban/ignore” options at the individual level. So, rather than ignoring by an instance, if I trust that Janet has good tastes and filters out children and trump, maybe I can just have an ongoing list that draws from her blocks and vice versa if she feels similar.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m talking about. I really like the idea of people with likewise sensibilities being able to act as their own cross-community mod team, without impacting other groups with different sensibilities.
That’s the thing though American politics get discussed here. With their perceptions of left and right.
Last season was great. It was only the finale that sucked…
(and, yes, if you want a HIMYM community, just let me know and I can make it on https://metacritics.zone/)
I mean, yeah, go ahead and make it. But based on my quick look of your instance, none of the communities are active. That’s the part we need to work on for ALL your instance.
Yeah, and this is the part where Fediverser was supposed to help. Not just with the mirrors to help bootstrap the content, but also with the whole part of Community Ambassadors. Sadly, no one got into the ambassador part.
Yeah, please don’t give up. I need more people like you here.
Some instances have blocked the furtherist-left instances and banned the most abrasive users from those that remain. It’s not at all how jeffw described.
Yep, I got an absolute novel length comment from some far left .ml person as one of my first interactions on Lemmy.
Leftists famously hate other leftists
I just got yelled at because I can’t be Left wing unless I want to destroy capitalism? Which feels weird.
That’s a terminology issue that you’re going to run into in any sufficiently political community. ‘Left-wing’ in casual use in the US refers to “everyone except the Republicans and some moderates”, but “left-wing” in any serious political talk refers to anti-capitalism.
‘Left-wing’ in casual use in the US refers to “everyone except the Republicans and some moderates”, but “left-wing” in any serious political talk refers to anti-capitalism.
Please list the mainstream “leftist” parties in any G20 nation that are “anti-capitalist”; and by mainstream I mean they have more than two representatives at the federal level.
Mainstream leftist parties aren’t necessarily leftist, especially economically leftist. E.g. the Democratic party in the US.
are they really anti-capitalism?
or just calling for properly regulated capitalism?
According to capitalism, capitalism is the only regulation capitalism needs. Capitalism regulated by something other than capitalism is anti-capitalism.
The bigger issue is that so many people misconstrued capitalism and markets. They are two different things. You can have markets, well regulated markets. And not have capitalism. Even under authoritarian leninist governments they have markets. There were markets in Soviet russia, there are markets in-state capitalist China. Even in North korea. But they do not let the wealthy regulate and decide the markets as capitalism does. They have plenty of other issues however.
According to capitalism, capitalism is the only regulation capitalism needs. Capitalism regulated by something other than capitalism is anti-capitalism.
Respectfully, I don’t think this is true.
Even Adam Smith warned about the dangers of monopolies and the fact that businesses would try to crate them, collide againat consumers etc. That’s kind of the foundation of anti trust legislation.
Now, modern republicans have endorsed the view of capitalism that you’ve noted but to say that’s the how Capitalism works is like saying Soviet Russia is how communism works.
Respectfully, Adam Smith did not invent capitalism. He is seen by some as the father of it. But much like marx and Lenin and many others. Put together a popular outline of the thought at the time.
Even then he needs to be understood in the context of the times he lived in. He was very Progressive and educated for his time. But even if he believed that government should have some say in capitalism. Government back then meant wealthy white land owning males. I.E the capital class. I.E Capital controlling capital. Not the workers. Not women. Capitalism has always been about oligarchy. It was literally a response by the mercantilist class against the Royals.
Neither capitalism or socialism works for anyone but the vanguard/oligarchs.
You can’t just define capitalism however you want.
Most people understand that businesses need regulation, that’s the point and basis of so many agencies and bodies that it’s almost comical.
The real argument is how heavily it should be regulated. Yes, some folks, particularly those with a lot of capital don’t want regulations. That no more means capitalism itself doesn’t want or need regulations than say, a soccer player with a strong punch who wishes you could just punch other players means soccer wants players to be able to punch each other in the head.
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Properly regulated capitalism is my Left but…
Then you are technically left. Although leninists Will loudly denounce anyone who doesn’t follow their authoritarian ideology as being no true Scotsman.
Capitalism as I stated above is regulated by capital. Anything other than capital regulating capitalism is not capitalism. The whole point of capitalism is that Capital regulates itself. If you want something other than Capital regulating capitalism, i e the people or government. Then you are against Capital regulating itself. And therefore anti-capitalist.
The tricky bit is. That wealthy oligarchs have spent centuries at this point conflating markets and capitalism. They are two different things. Markets have existed for centuries, Millennium even. It’s one of man’s oldest inventions. Coming right about the same time as agriculture. Predating capitalism by thousands of years. Capitalism as a concept is barely older than the United States itself.
That’s a very absolutist view of the meaning of Capitalism.
With that view, how could anyone be against Capitalism then?
It’s technically never been tried with that definition.
It’s not absolutist. Mildly reductive perhaps. But not remotely absolutist.
How could anyone be for it? It’s literally rule by the wealthy. It was a response created by wealthy mercantilist. Frustrated that no matter how much money they had there was an echelon of power always denied to them.
It’s always been tried with that definition. At the founding of the United States, wealthy white land owning males. The capital class with all the capital controlled it. It was oligarchy from it’s establishment. It was more beneficial on average than mercantilism. But still a failure.
Even today in China. The vanguard, their capital controlling class controls and regulates their state capitalism. Capital regulates capitalism. Not the people.
I dobtwrhinj it’s any serious political talk (otherwise most countries are having unserious talks about their Left and Right wings) but maybe in serious political theory talks?
Like, Germany’s Left parties mostly don’t want to dismantle capitalism but I wouldn’t dismiss all conversation about them and putting people on that Left Right spectrum to be unserious.
Like, Germany’s Left parties mostly don’t want to dismantle capitalism but I wouldn’t dismiss all conversation about them and putting people on that Left Right spectrum to be unserious.
Even the SDP is pro-forma still for the abolition of capitalism.
I always thought they were more traditional socialist democracy?
But I doubt many of their voters believe a vote for them will bring about the end of capitalism…
That’s because for many of them it is easier to imagine the end of the world, than the end of capitalism.
I always thought they were more traditional socialist democracy?
… what do you think socialism is, exactly?
Generally, classically I’ve understood Socialism to still involve central planning of industry/production.
Whereas most modern socialist democracies tend to heavily regulate industry and enact social welfare programs to minimize the effects of different classes etc.
Generally, classically I’ve understood Socialism to still involve central planning of industry/production.
Socialism is worker control of the means of production, which can take many forms. What it is, most distinctively, is incompatible with capitalism, which is investor control of the means of production.
Whereas most modern socialist democracies tend to heavily regulate industry and enact social welfare programs to minimize the effects of different classes etc.
The most successful socialist parties in the West take the view that the harm of capitalism should be reduced while it still exists; they still believe in the eventual abolition of capitalism.
And the harm reduction comes in the form of removing parts of the economy from capitalist control, which is … anti-capitalist.
I don’t disagree but there is a distinct difference between social democracy and a socialist democracy, or democratic socialism.
The former is a capitalist system with some welfare systems in place, the latter is socialism without the one party state.
There is a lot of “Capitalist Realism” but the people in these parties that still consider themselves leftists usually do agree that capitalism should be abolished if pressed on the topic.
Lemmy world is probably the most centerist instance that hasn’t been defederated. Lemm.ee are sh.it.just.works are probably good replacements if she thinks it is just to far left wing but it’s probably that she is seeing .ml or one of the other various socialist instances.
She will need to utilize her block list to block tankie users and communities if she doesn’t want to see them. A lot of entrenched users are here because they realized that mainstream platforms were enshittified a lot earlier because they of their anti capitalist views
Beehaw probably
Beehaw is definitely quite left but it’s more polite so maybe that would be better for normies that are willing to follow strict rules over there.
Interesting take.
I think what you‘re talking about is called „anecdotal evidence“. Destroying capitalism is definitely not the „mainstream“ on lemmy, far from it. Although We dont have „normie-lizing“ moderation and bot armies that bury every post thats out of the norm.
Of course we attract a lot of freedom loving people. Freedom, turns out is an extremist left view. Asking to be paid for work done, asking to be able to work from home, etc.
I would ask your friend to show you more than one incident and also ask them to be open to making a new experience.
And although everyone will hate me for it: if you want fediverse lite (or bastardized corpo fediverse) you can always test bluesky and threads. They are more mainstream since they have larger user counts.
Not sure this is the way to share comments but in this post we already have people arguing about liberalism creating fascism etc:
https://fedia.io/m/[email protected]/t/1703782/-/comment/9075608
I think she deleted accounts but if you really want I can hunt down the last time folks got angry at me for the same thing.
Are you aware that when they use the term liberalism, they likely mean economic liberalism?
I didn’t delete my account I blocked you. Open up a fucking history book, look at the Weimar Republic, then look what came next.
As a queer woman I’m so fucking sick and tired of liberal bullshit. Liberals create the conditions that allow fascism to flourish. In America, when bush couped in 2000, they rolled over, leading to citizens United, 9/11, the patriot act, the afghanistan and Iraq forever wars. In 2008 they bailed out the bankers. In 2016 they fucked over Bernie and lost to a fascist. In 2020 they fucked over Bernie again and the only reason biden won was because of covid. In 2024 they proudly support a genocide and gaslight the public about the economy - just like the Weimar Republic selling out the Germans in their ww1 concessions.
You liberals just don’t fucking learn. And now my life is on the line. Either fight capitalism or get fascism, your fucking pick liberal.
You should block better or.something?
And the people who failed Bernie were the voters who didn’t show up. Age wise, the youth got their heads kicked in by the seniorsin the primaries by a depressing margin. If you don’t vote, you don’t make differences.
I mean, bailing out the banks as a failure? Shit, there shouls have been regulations (like Canada had) to stop crazy trading but unless you wanted a lot pf people to lose their pensions and life savings, this is an impressively silly point.
Edit: also, the she wasn’t about you it was about the person whom OP had asked about. (Yes, not everything revolves around you, though admittedly that wasn’t super clear from the paragraph construction) I just used you as an example of lemmy’s delightful crazies.
I think the way to do it would be this but you probably can do it a lot more ways.
Lemmy (and the fediverse as a whole) are not supposed to be a drop in replacement for reddit and other corpo media. No central moderation or “direction”, just a ton of servers with very varying user counts, ideas and ways to do things.
When on the fediverse, you will definitely encounter bad stuff. You will learn to use the block button and maybe block whole instances. Thats how you make your own “bubble”.
Since the fediverse is federated, horizontally organized and has freedom of association, it is hugely different from any other social gathering in the outside world. All our Lives we live in hierarchical structures: Families (more or less), Schools, Companies, etc. That can be the reason why it feels alien. But I dare you to try and see if “freedom” cant feel nice to you.
It will never feel like reddit or other places on the corpo web. If you need that, its not the place for you. If you can be open to a new experience and just decide between listening to an opinion or blocking it, you might have a lot of fun. Good luck
I don’t think it’s the non hierarchy, I think it’s the being called a fascist enabler for supporting mainstream Democrat positions etc that is offputting.
I have trouble recommending this place to others because of some of our less than delightful members.
Reddit was big enough that once you got into niche communities, the angry crazies were either banned or hadn’t found community or whatever. Lemmy is still small so we don’t have that. So, was just hoping for an instance or whatnot that was less communism and linux and more friendly to an average person.
Yeah, i cant help if you wont use the block button. The not banning people is part of the horizontal structure. I suggest you open up to the concept. Otherwise youre just out of luck.
Also nobody here gives a shit if you recommend lemmy to anything. Thats reddit thinking. We dont make money, dont have the slightest benefit from someone getting a recommendation coming here. au contraire, we give people refuge who are sick and tired of the way reddit treats its users. If your friends are happy on reddit, please god leave them there. We do not want them here.
There have been a bunch of pleas to grow the fediverse, as stated in the opening.
And the block button isn’t a particularly good recommendation for new people.
Out of curiousity, say there was an instance that allowed all speech and had great content. Would you tell a trans friend “hey it’s great, just block every time you see something hateful.” Or can we see how that would be an unpleasant experience.
Anyway, if you don’t want a larger fediverse, that’s groovy but that seems contrary to the nature of almost every post here.
We‘re talking about different things.
I have trans friends that are fine here. They will absolutely shit on you for not dismantling capitalism though.
See my point?
Everyone has the right to their opinion. You want extras? Either get on an instance that backs your exact flavor or make your own. Freedom of association, baby!
Also, you know what I dont like? Smartasses. Yes, there are people here that dont want this place to grow and others do. Neither of them is wrong. The only one who is wrong is the one trying to convince them otherwise repeatedly.
If you have any other questions, I‘ll gladly help. If you want to convince me why I‘m wrong, you‘re getting the block treatment. Your decision.
Might take a look at the instance I’m on. Lemmy.sdf.org. It’s pretty chill, and SDF has been doing the social media thing since the 80’s without much issue. Started as a dial up BBS devoted to anime back in the day. Leans anime, music/art generally and computers. Supported via donations.
Oh neat, I’ll take a look! Thanks!
That’s funny because the majority of Lemmy.World are people who left Reddit during the 3rd party app-ocolypse. Though I suppose many of them also saw Reddit becoming more and more pro-Nazi as time went on. The loss of the apps was just the kick in the pants needed to actually leave.
Lemmy.world is the most mainstream instance. You may find small instances that have more political center types, but for all the “issue” is that the fediverse is federated. So lemmy.ml users can comment on your post on lemmy.world as well.
Roughly speaking, Lemm.ee is more libertarian some libright. Slrpnk is libleft but is home to pleasant politics community. Dbzer0 is anarchy leftist. World is closest to US centrist. Lemmy.ca is kind of Reddit’s onguardforthee vibe, Left/NDP wing.
Thing is that influences from other more ideological instances will make it onto All threads. “Lib-shaming” is something some folks at lemmy.ml, hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml like to do frequently, which is where those experiences might have come from.
Lib shaming is for good reason as the US and most of the western world falls to fascism thanks to libs creating the material conditions for it.
I have to say it again:
- Fascists promise to do fascist things
- Americans elect fascists
- Fascists do fascist things
- HOW COULD DEMOCRATS DO THIS???
It’s a bit more like:
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Capitalism creates the material conditions that promote fashism
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Democrates aren’t fashists, but they keep capitalism
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The material conditions that promote fashism end up happening and fashism props up
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Fashists end up getting elected
The point isn’t that the Democrats are fashists, but that they would rather continue support the thing that litterally empowers fashism rather than doing anything else. Kinda like a person who refuses to get vaccinated and spreads a disease to everyone else.
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And I have to say it again: libs created the material conditions to let it happen. Obama bailed out Wall Street instead of Main Street. People aren’t born fascist. They become it. Twice Obama voters switching to trump is great example of that and as usual democrats say nuh uh im not listening!!!
So you’re mad at Democrats for not being fascist enough?
What an idiotic take. Millions of people lost their homes in 2008 and watched those responsible walk away with millions of dollars in golden parachutes thanks to Obama lining his cabinet with Goldman Sachs bros and holding no one responsible. The “tea party” that formed is trumps base today.
Jesus Christ read a fucking book.
Whatever you need to think to excuse fascists for being fascists, I guess.
You’re way too fucking stupid for this. Complete lack of intellectual ability. Fascism doesn’t exist in a vacuum and as a typical liberal you take the lazy route and refuse to see how democrats played a massive part in allowing fascism to flourish by being failed leaders, just like the Weimar Republic.
Open a goddamn history book for fucks sake. Your ignorance threatens my queer existence.
This is some incel logic.
“Women won’t date me so I’ll call them bitches and sluts!”
“People don’t vote for my side so I’ll say they’re enabling fascism!”
Typical lemmy.world user right there.
I’m a queer woman.
And the logic you’re using is very similar to an incel.
That’s literally how analogies work, you compare similarities in unlike things, e.g., my cat snores like a chainsaw. She is not a chainsaw but has a comical similarity in one aspect, even if she can’t cut down a tree and does not use gas or electricity.
“People don’t vote for my side so I’ll say they’re enabling fascism!”
iconic, I’ve been repeatedly told by liberals that because I voted third party that I’m essentially a trump voter.
that wasn’t what was said though.
they said that liberals created the material conditions for fascism. i.e. by suppressing the left and only offering up warmongering and genocide they created a situation where someone like trump could get elected. again.
a fair number of the people who are on this platform are here specifically because oligarch-owned media sites heavily censor all left wing speech, and have done so for many years.
Lib shaming is for good reason as the US and most of the western world falls to fascism thanks to libs creating the material conditions for it.
Presumably, there was an alternative group to vote for in primaries or however else this delightful person thinks change should happen. People did not do whatever they think should have happened and thus I will name call them.
There was a primary this time around and it was even more of a farce than usual. The party just straight up ignored all the people voting uncommitted, to all of our detriment.
People did not do whatever they think should have happened and thus I will name call them.
I don’t actually understand what this is saying.
Either way this isn’t the place for a back and forth on this kind of thing, so I won’t be discussing the election further.
To steer back to your original topic though, you seem accustomed to the type of censorship of the left that’s typical on Reddit. Many of the people that are here are specifically here because the left wing communities they were participating in were systematically removed from reddit.
The reality is in a place like this sometimes you’re going to hear dissenting opinions, unless you’re very selective in your instance and only browse local.
a fair number of the people who are on this platform are here specifically because oligarch-owned media sites heavily censor all left wing speech, and have done so for many years.
I got banned from every platform, and my account on lemmy.world was also banned.
Capitalist owned platforms support fascists and ban anti capitalists, anti fascists, anti imperialists. We’re a threat to power and profit. Look at all the capitalists lining up to suck trumps mushroom cock right now. They’ll do whatever it takes to make a buck, whores are more honest than them.
I got banned from every platform, and my account on lemmy.world was also banned.
Gee, from your comments on this post I could never imagine how that could happen.
If everywhere you go people smell like shit, maybe you should check your shoes.
I’d strongly suggest that the issue isn’t your beliefs, but that you’re about as abrasive as kissing the pavement at 75mph.
Typical liberal tone policing while lives are at stake.
Everything I don’t like is Liberal: A Guide to Modern Lemmy Discourse
More seriously, lives are not at stake in this particular comment section.
Edit: and I never told you to stop, just that it’s abrasive as shit and likely why you’re being banned so damn much. Do with it what you will. I’m not your parents, the police, or your boss.
(as one girl, who volunteered for the Democrats said “I just got yelled at because I can’t be Left wing unless I want to destroy capitalism? Which feels weird.”)
I get why folks do it, but I’m not sure if they’re going to get people to embrace their philosophy, if they keep jeering at other people like this. There are more cordial ways that one can acknowledge the benefits while showing why the drawbacks outweigh them.
Can vouch for this. I learned a thing or two from people who had the patience to explain. Including some ML people. @[email protected] for example has nerves of steel. Permanent snark isn’t useful but it’s understandable, especially coming from people who are being actively harmed. Repeating the same things over and over without frustration isn’t something everyone can do.
Appreciate the kind words! You’re 100% correct in saying that snark isn’t useful but is understandable. Many good people are being actively harmed and are out of patience in explaining how and why said harm exists, and how we can move beyond it. That isn’t even mentioning the outright hostility many Leftists face in general, on a daily basis. Ultimately, what I’ve found is that most people aren’t going to be convinced of something that seriously challenges their worldview in a single conversation, but through compatible life experiences make themselves more open to new ideas. Those are the ones that end up listening to others genuinely and taking to heart what the other person has to say.
While I do think some ways of communicating are certainly more effective than others, social change also requires some amount of tension to be effective. Cordial methods are often the first to be tried, and are also most often summarily ignored.
Moderates often find tension emotionally distressing because it pierces their perception of themselves as a morally just person. They sometimes perceive what is often valid criticism as being yelled at. This tension is required in order to enact social change, though.
As someone who has been on the receiving end of that tension before, I can attest it’s an unpleasant experience, but it passes, and hopefully leaves room for some amount of contemplation in its place.
I’d highly recommend reading MLK’s “Letter from Birmingham Jail”, as he bridges the concept much more eloquently than I could ever hope to.
Queer people like myself are currently in the crosshairs and don’t have the energy or patience to put up with this shit.
I’ve been screaming from the top of my lungs since 2000!!! about how we were heading towards fascism and nobody listened. I’m out of fucks to give. If they’re too stupid to see it that’s on them. In my book lib shit behavior is complicit in the rise of fascism.
Then maybe don’t waste energy being shitty online and instead build the local community and personal resources to protect your ass.
If I was in your situation looking at the changes Trump did in just the executive orders his first day, I can tell you one thing that would be at the absolute fucking bottom of my todo list: argue on the fucking internet.
I’m currently extremely ill and bedridden with a painful and dangerous dental infection that I’m struggling to get adequate treatment for thanks to capitalism.
But yeah, do tell me how to live my life. Typical liberal scolding.
Also I LOVE the assumption that I don’t normally make community when I’m well. 🙄
